The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    Kind sir...I take umbrage to your statement. I was answering Tau's post (Originally Posted by tau
    I can see that still nobody has answered my questions; therefore I'm asking you another one: would you buy it / order it without ESA?

    Please explain your reply. Just to be frank with you guys, I'm willing to order it without ESA, as:)


    He asked a legitimate question. I did my best to give him an honest answer.
    I DID NOT BERATE the new GS. I only pointed out facts about shocks that are the FREAKING TRUTH! If your experience w/ Ohlins was unsatisfactory that is on you and who ever set up your shocks. Thousands of Ohlins owners can not be wrong. I have indeed heard of poor performing Ohlins and others as well.

    Don't make me let loose my flying monkeys. They are cajun and not very patient

    Let me make this perfectly clear. I realy like and respect the New GS. Is it perfect no. Will it ever break down... yes at some point. WILL ESA shocks be damn expensive to fix?...Yes with out question. They may in fact not be repairable. Shouldn't I be allowed to say these things to TAU?

    ALL BIKE suffer this malady. THey are machines that are man made. GOT IT? GOOD!

    .....besides.......didn't i say "It is all Good" at the end? It is all good, the new GS is a great bike. The cost of admission is an unknown. It always was and always will be. I have been riding / owning GS's ( and many other makes and models) since the R75/5 and R80. None were perfect. If anything BMW is fraught with little-bitty problems. I can fix every damn one of them too. Whining oh hell no.. trying to be helpful....ubetcha!
  2. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    I have ridden one... it is the "shiz-nit". VERY NICE
  3. Gun Smoke

    Gun Smoke Banned

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    And then you showed up to whine about me whining about the whiners which resulted in this post which you will undoubtedly interpret as me whining about your whining about my whining?? Which by your logic one could extrapolate that every response is a whine.... :puke1:wink:
  4. Farang Paul

    Farang Paul A Late Convert

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    I'm new to this forum (my LC GS is due in June)

    If you want whining and flaming try the Harley forums - especially those specialising in XL models which are always sneered at by the big-twin (real) Harley owners.

    We ride because we are passionate about bikes, passion brings emotion and forums bring together people who are very emotional about their own bike brand and model. This leads to a certain defensiveness that nothing could be better than their bike.

    This forum has been a wealth of information and has helped me greatly to choose the spec for my new bike.(Very important as I have to pay a fortune for an imported bike here in Thailand!)

    You just have to sift out and ignore the emotion to look for facts and knowledgeable opinion - of which there appears to be plenty. My thanks to those that have shared their knowledge and helped me.
  5. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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  6. Gun Smoke

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    I would buy it with the ESA. Explanation: I like technology. I like buttons and gizmos. I'm confident in the longevity of a servo which is all that is required to adjust a shock on the fly.

    I disagree with the facts you pointed out about shocks however. Modern shocks are extremely durable. It's been my experience that shocks on BMW brand motorcycles last more than 100K. After that in the future I will certainly replace with OEM even though they cost a little (without esa oem are a few hundred US$ more) more than Ohlins. The cost of ownership is much less.
  7. Serp

    Serp Been here awhile

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    Here it's $208.94
  8. Serp

    Serp Been here awhile

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    I will let you know. :evil
  9. syaufu

    syaufu Been here awhile

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    Disagree on the durability of BMW shocks..12 BMW 1200 GS"s or GSA"s ..all with relatively low miles... on our trip from London to China 2 yrs ago..we had to replace 5 shocks on our 12000 mile trip..100,000 maybe if you don't ride on gravel..bj
  10. marchyman

    marchyman DR and GS

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    Huh? His experience (as I read it) wasn't that the difference was bad/wrong, but that it wasn't worth the money. I can accept that. It was worth the money for me on my '05 but I understand how some would feel otherwise.

    Counter example: I know there are people who can feel differences in tires that feel exactly the same to me. They may pay extra for a tire that "feels better". Since I can't tell the difference I'll pay less. That doesn't go for the Heidenau K60... I hate that tire. :bluduh :lol2
  11. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    I hope that knowing that the transmission is Japanese sourced doesn't then send you over the edge. If it does, can I have your bike...at a deep discount? I'm concerned about your health. :deal

    I think BMW now means "Built Mostly Worldwide." :D
  12. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    So I have to ask…
    How much time did you spend dialing in the Ohlins?

    JJ
  13. Racegun

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    I agree they do last more than 100K in some ( not all instances) . TAU did not ask that. He wanted some one to give their take/ opinion/ ideas on ESA. To be honest, he might have been able to answer that question for himself. Those of us that opined only stated the truth as we know it. Also, no one said OEM did not last. Any shock, Ohlins, White Power, Sachs, Wilbers, not set up correctly won't ride as well or better than Orig. Equip. Race teams for M/C & cars have super highly skilled teams that deal with shocks and related. It is an Art Form ( as it were ) to dial in suspension with excellence. In addition, One must ride the machine closer to the limits than just an easy Sunday ride to experience the nirvana of a well executed suspension. :deal IMHO & YMMV of course......jus sayin'
  14. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    TRUE THAT... I hear YA!
  15. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    Everyones been doing that for a while. Donlt seem to pass the savings on to the consumer though :hmmmmm
  16. erkmania

    erkmania Last of the red hot left pipers

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    Spare us the sycophantism. This thread is chock full already. :puke1

    It's more than OK that you didn't think that your Ohlins were worthwhile. I truly believe that has more to do with the way you ride a motorcycle than the effectiveness of aftermarket suspension and/or that your particular Ohlins were not adjusted remotely close to being effective.

    If you're not into extracting the full performance from a motorcycle to the extent that you can then your opinion on the subject must be weighted. Not one of the stock BMW shocks I have used was worth a hill of beans after 15 to 20K on the clock...check that, not worth a hill of beans. The two BMW's that were/are near the top of the handling heap of the motorcycles I've owned, for ME, were the ones I put either Ohlins, Penske or Hyperpros on.

    Not all here need to have the new LC's goodness reinforced endlessly in our minds. Some, but not all here are whiners. We, (if I may speak) know that the new bike is good. It is not without flaws.

    I apologize in advance if I am being cruel, but I took umbrage to your statement about the global whining; pot, kettle, black, etc.
  17. sbrownn

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    And the next question might be "How much time did you spend dialing in the stock suspension?" My guess would be that people who never try to dial in the stock suspension never bother to dial in the aftermarkets either. At its core a suspension system is nothing more than a spring to store and release energy and an adjustable damper to control the rate at which energy is stored and relesed. It would be interesting to actually know what the difference is between some of the aftermarkets and the stock units is.
  18. cug

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    That is actually a different question as most stock suspension components need to be taken apart to "dial in". They aren't easily adjustable like most aftermarket items.
  19. Montauk

    Montauk Been here awhile

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    Perhaps you can undo the bold red color, it's too much to the eye, lending to oversight.
  20. marchyman

    marchyman DR and GS

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    ??? I have 4 adjustments on my Ohlins. I had 3 on the stock shocks. The stock wouldn't let me change the damping on the front, otherwise the controls were pretty much the same. I had the stock shocks dialed in pretty well, but there was still a certain harshness that went away with after market shocks.

    That said, I'm looking forward to Dynamic ESA on the new bike. Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned about shock/damper longevity. But not concerned enough to skip the Dynamic ESA package on the new bike.