The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. marchyman

    marchyman Cam Killer

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    Huh? His experience (as I read it) wasn't that the difference was bad/wrong, but that it wasn't worth the money. I can accept that. It was worth the money for me on my '05 but I understand how some would feel otherwise.

    Counter example: I know there are people who can feel differences in tires that feel exactly the same to me. They may pay extra for a tire that "feels better". Since I can't tell the difference I'll pay less. That doesn't go for the Heidenau K60... I hate that tire. :bluduh :lol2
  2. erkmania

    erkmania Still Adventuring

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    I hope that knowing that the transmission is Japanese sourced doesn't then send you over the edge. If it does, can I have your bike...at a deep discount? I'm concerned about your health. :deal

    I think BMW now means "Built Mostly Worldwide." :D
  3. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    So I have to ask…
    How much time did you spend dialing in the Ohlins?

    JJ
  4. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    I agree they do last more than 100K in some ( not all instances) . TAU did not ask that. He wanted some one to give their take/ opinion/ ideas on ESA. To be honest, he might have been able to answer that question for himself. Those of us that opined only stated the truth as we know it. Also, no one said OEM did not last. Any shock, Ohlins, White Power, Sachs, Wilbers, not set up correctly won't ride as well or better than Orig. Equip. Race teams for M/C & cars have super highly skilled teams that deal with shocks and related. It is an Art Form ( as it were ) to dial in suspension with excellence. In addition, One must ride the machine closer to the limits than just an easy Sunday ride to experience the nirvana of a well executed suspension. :deal IMHO & YMMV of course......jus sayin'
  5. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    TRUE THAT... I hear YA!
  6. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    Everyones been doing that for a while. Donlt seem to pass the savings on to the consumer though :hmmmmm
  7. erkmania

    erkmania Still Adventuring

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    Spare us the sycophantism. This thread is chock full already. :puke1

    It's more than OK that you didn't think that your Ohlins were worthwhile. I truly believe that has more to do with the way you ride a motorcycle than the effectiveness of aftermarket suspension and/or that your particular Ohlins were not adjusted remotely close to being effective.

    If you're not into extracting the full performance from a motorcycle to the extent that you can then your opinion on the subject must be weighted. Not one of the stock BMW shocks I have used was worth a hill of beans after 15 to 20K on the clock...check that, not worth a hill of beans. The two BMW's that were/are near the top of the handling heap of the motorcycles I've owned, for ME, were the ones I put either Ohlins, Penske or Hyperpros on.

    Not all here need to have the new LC's goodness reinforced endlessly in our minds. Some, but not all here are whiners. We, (if I may speak) know that the new bike is good. It is not without flaws.

    I apologize in advance if I am being cruel, but I took umbrage to your statement about the global whining; pot, kettle, black, etc.
  8. sbrownn

    sbrownn SlowMo

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    And the next question might be "How much time did you spend dialing in the stock suspension?" My guess would be that people who never try to dial in the stock suspension never bother to dial in the aftermarkets either. At its core a suspension system is nothing more than a spring to store and release energy and an adjustable damper to control the rate at which energy is stored and relesed. It would be interesting to actually know what the difference is between some of the aftermarkets and the stock units is.
  9. cug

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    That is actually a different question as most stock suspension components need to be taken apart to "dial in". They aren't easily adjustable like most aftermarket items.
  10. Montauk

    Montauk Been here awhile

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    Perhaps you can undo the bold red color, it's too much to the eye, lending to oversight.
  11. marchyman

    marchyman Cam Killer

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    ??? I have 4 adjustments on my Ohlins. I had 3 on the stock shocks. The stock wouldn't let me change the damping on the front, otherwise the controls were pretty much the same. I had the stock shocks dialed in pretty well, but there was still a certain harshness that went away with after market shocks.

    That said, I'm looking forward to Dynamic ESA on the new bike. Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned about shock/damper longevity. But not concerned enough to skip the Dynamic ESA package on the new bike.
  12. Racegun

    Racegun Single Track Mind!

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    a few of us have tried..... heck I give up...good luck Tau
  13. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Was everyone in church all weekend or something? No new test ride reports and new bike deliveries? C'mon I need my fix of pictures and ride reports! :eek1
  14. Gun Smoke

    Gun Smoke Banned

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    About 15 minutes. How much time dialing in the OEM; about 15 minutes. Ohlins said they gave me shocks that would be proper for my 180# weight and to turn the knob when carrying a pillion. How much time should I have spent?
  15. cug

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    I had ESA and other than selecting between "soft but bad", "normal but bad", "hard but bad" for the various load settings (that were all kind of not what I needed) there was no way of dialing in the suspension in ANY way. No way of setting compression / rebound independently, no way of setting pre-load just right for this rider, ...

    My current bike has preload, compression, rebound all separately adjustable on front and rear and a spring rate selected for me. Quite nice when dialed in properly. A little overkill for most and not cheap (about the price of an ESA system), but I actually prefer that over an electronic suspension that will always be "just off" from what I want or need for my weight.

    But I'm also very excited about the new dynamic ESA and I'm looking forward to testing it. Would be really cool if it were really that much better than the old ESA which was pretty much useless for me as it didn't matter what I set it, too, it was still a badly set up suspension.
  16. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I like the old ESA.
    It's great being able to adjust preload from single rider to passenger/+luggage/Off-Road... with a press of one button, same with dampening. To me it worked just fine but I guess it depends what you need, there will always be better (probably never more expensive) :D
  17. cug

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    I think it's really about whether it

    a) fits your weight
    b) makes sense for your riding style
    c) goes along with expectations

    Since I have ridden a properly dialed in aftermarket suspension, I'm not that happy with the OEM stuff anymore. Just gives a perspective ...
  18. Russ

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    Not sure if this chart has been posted yet, explains the different riding modes.


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  19. johnjen

    johnjen I've Been Resigned

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    Perhaps this will help answer your question.
    Skip to page 23 for setup info.

    http://advwisdom.hogranch.com/Wisdom/GSOIAv1.2.pdf

    JJ
  20. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Nice pics and thanks for the ride modes chart! So I've heard from some that the GPS blocks the top of the tach...did you find that to be an issue and how tall are you?