The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. maximo de la maximus

    maximo de la maximus Abracadabra Holmes

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    Installed a second power port last night. Anyone else notice the piece of styrofoam filler in the battery compartment? Any idea why this would be this way.... Is there another battery out there that's taller?

    Also, I'm sure it's a low, low priority but an after market battery cover panel attachment dealio would be cool. I felt like I was playing a 1970's "operation" game getting it back on without pushing out the rubber gromets. User error and familiarity I'm sure but that means at least 1 customer.

    Can't help but to comment on the suspension topic. Seems no one is wrong (except for some assumptions about others) but my personal experience in adjusting shocks does make me prefer the new system. I always had to adjust shocks for the bumpiest section of surface I would encounter (Road bikes, dirt bikes, and track specific) and no more. The comprimise would be an over compliant suspension on surfaces less bumpy. Over simplification- probably, as i don't pretend to be a suspension guru. Now, and espcially with a gs concept bike, it's nice to take advantage of surface specific settings on the fly. My experience so far is very, very positive; for me it meets all expectations and then some (read suits fast smooth twisties well then bam, sail over gravel road and ripples with planted confidence). If I ever get another track bike- sure, I'll adjust to the roughest corner to more precision... I just don't see the need for this beast but certainly understand why others would.

    Who's got some first hand experience programming the enduro pro plug? Who has some first hand experience having some fun on the road with the enduro pro plug? C'mon, I know you're out there!! :ear
  2. erkmania

    erkmania Still Adventuring

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    No. I am not sure. I just checked my stock Showas (2011 GS) and they appear to have removable tube caps. The complexity is in releaving the nitrogen gas pressure and whether they are DeCarbon or emulsion type shocks. In either case, a schraeder valve must be installed to repressurize the shocks in the absence of using industrial machinery. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

    They key to identifying non-rebuildable shocks is evident by the fact that the tube caps are welded in place. Look at cheap car shocks for an example. In reality, they can be rebuilt, too. It just takes a LOT more effort to cut off the cap and find a way to reafix it. That's just something I have not gotten into. The other possibility would be to drill the body, evacuate the fluid and refill/repressurize the shock through the small drilling. Again, not something I've cared to do since some of these types of shocks have used freon bladders for their internal pressure. Too darned much trouble for me to care.

    Clear as mud, right? :deal
  3. erkmania

    erkmania Still Adventuring

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    It's my opinion that you could create a problem that will be caused by mismatching the spring rate to the damping invoked by the software. I just caution against radical spring rate changes.

    However, this sounds like a worthy experiment. Come on over and we can work this out. I think you'll have to put some paddle tires on your bike, though, to get here. :D
  4. Shorty

    Shorty carpe'diem ona motorcycle

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    Nice :thumb
    Congratulations!
  5. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    I second that. So how is the throttle in ROAD mode? On my test ride on a bike without modes, I thought it was overly sensitive and difficult to modulate. I can only assume they would use a middle of the road setting for a bike with no modes...but perhaps not.
  6. Japanviking

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    My thinking was that the adaptable damping would self adjust to a change in spring rate. Not talking about radical changes here, would just be nice to reach the correct sag levels without having the suspension set for rider+luggage.

    I wonder if the different ride mode includes separate damping settings beyond the soft,normal and hard settings?
    Would love to find a deeper technical description of this system.
  7. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

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    I have my plug and it's installed. It really doesn't do much though on the road. I still have stock tires so I haven't even toggled over to enduro pro mode yet to play with it. As for the road, it does save settings (namely the hard or soft settings) over the default setting but it's not really that big of a deal.
  8. maximo de la maximus

    maximo de la maximus Abracadabra Holmes

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    Hmm. Thanks for the response- I am curious about driving with the epro toggled on with road rubber- just for the fun of it. Though maybe you get a similar same by simply shutting down abs, traction control, selecting dynamic? Just hijinks I suppose... but Saving preferred settings sounds convenient too.
  9. Crilly

    Crilly Been here awhile

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    :norton. Hay Shorty, this probably a dump question, considering, but is that a low seat?
  10. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I'd say definitely YES, no matter if LED or conventional. During the day a light triangle composed of main headlight plus lower aux lights works well.
  11. marchyman

    marchyman Cam Killer

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    Thank you. At 8 liters in size (8,000 cc or about 25 cm x 20 cm x 16 cm) it should hold a bit more than that. I'm looking to store a liter of water, the other gloves, a wool cap, small binoculars, a compass, a small P&S camera, and other very small misc items. The real camera gear (7D and a X100) live in a tail bag. :D
  12. oz97tj

    oz97tj Been here awhile

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    Well, as I stated already I have tried enduro pro yet, but I don't see much benefit on pavement with road rubber. Dynamic mode would be more aggressive on the pavement. The big difference is ABS being shut off to the rear wheel. As for the traction conrol, other than for wheelies, it wouldn't really be kicking in anyway.

    The saving the settings is kind of nice, but the reality is it only takes about 2 seconds to switch the suspension settings and to shut off ABS and ASC so unless you prefer them off all the time I don't see a huge benefit there. The only real time I want to kill ASC is when I plan on being a bit of a hooligan. ABS, I really never shut it off on my old GS, and this one kicks in far less than he old model so I doubt I'll even have a reason to shut it off.
  13. Moronic

    Moronic Long timer

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    Motorrad has posted online an article comparing the waterboxer with the 2012 GS, reporting on a side-by-side ride and various performance and static measurements.

    Article begins here, with the ride report. For those who do not read German, Google Translate will help.

    There is a measurements page here, which includes dyno curves.

    A couple of interesting results:

    - measured full-tank weights old and new were identical at 246kg (542lbs).

    - the new model was quicker in all single-gear roll-on acceleration tests (e.g. 100-140km/h 3.8 sec v 4.2 sec).

    - fuel economy was slightly better on the new model (by 0.2L/100km or US 2mpg).
  14. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Thanks for posting...the Google translate is not so great, but I can at least comprehend parts of it and the stats of course. Was surprised that the 0-100km/h speed was only faster than the camhead by 0.1 seconds. During the test ride the bike felt much faster than that, but then again I suspect the massive thrust that is felt is based on some artificial throttle mapping as opposed to a substantial increase in power. The Motorrad test seems to confirm this.
  15. cug

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    What I found more interesting is that the braking distance from 100km/h (62mph) was longer on the new model. Only in Enduro mode it got kind of close. New one is said to be more stable while braking, but needs longer distance.
  16. GrahamD

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    Yes, just like the Tenere, Strom, etc. Less freak but a low speed impact at the end. Pros and Cons. Swings and roundabouts. Like to see an update of Motorrads ABS tests with the new gen ABS systems. But you knew that already.

    Probably better off road than the older system if the S10 is anything to go by.
  17. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    and despite the larger contact patch of the bigger tires....looks like 9% longer stopping distance on asphalt with sand surface and 2.3% worse on asphalt.
  18. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    A wise statement.

    As it should be. I am sure they'll fine-tune it with future software updates though.

    BTW love the avatar...

    Wouldn't this mess with what the software expects?
  19. fennel

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    The metal bar has two bolts at the inner sides of the beak.

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  20. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Very interesting, thank you.
    (btw below you will realize that I don't work for BMW - as some people seem to hate I defend the new model all the time)

    Things I find interesting:

    - Worse braking performance. Not in a critical level (as you said, where the '12 stops, the '13 makes a low speed bump), but this is a definite NEGATIVE to me. Hope they can improve with software, as (shown by enduro mode) the physical part is definitely able to perform at least same as previous version.

    - Reports seem to agree that HP is spot-on and plus (whereas most vendors inc. BMW cheat). Good for people that care in such numbers.

    - Speedometer seems to cheat a bit more. Not good. The difference @100Km is the difference I get at top speed.

    - Real v-max not impressive. They could do much better. I will say again: 6th should be longer or consumer bike vendors should start thinking about 7th gear (overdrive with slow "pick up" for bikes like GS, "real" for bikes like S1000RR).

    - Strange that dynamic mode (hope they indeed tested dynamic mode) can just chop 0.1sec over the last version. I would expect closer to 0.2-0.3.

    - Seeing side-by-side photos, new bike indeed shows more fresh.

    - The test verifies what everybody seems to fail to understand. New version is about same price. Extras are more. You want them I know, you don't HAVE to get them though.

    So to sum up. Motorrad seems to find new GS as a "revolution" over previous.
    Mechanically this is definitely true.
    In practice I would say "evolution" is as far as you can go.

    Given the differences and similarities, we definitely have a GS here. The new bike looks cool (way more cool than last), will perform better in real-life (rolling accelleration, ability to turn and follow terrain) both on and off tarmac.
    We definitely already see what can be further improved for first face-lift in 2-3 years. :evil