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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
Thanks for the translations!!
IMO the venerable 1200(1300)GS is veering down the wrong path. Should this new info be true BMW is tuning it to a technological standstill. But they can't help it - they're BMW after all - it is what they do. Getting further and further away from what the GS was originally intended to be. I would love to have a new/current 1200GS but instead of continuing refinement of the current air-cooled boxer they seem to be caught up in a techno arms race with the looming competition in the market. Water cooling - okay if you have to. More power? How much does a GS need!?
By the time I can afford a "new" 12(1300)GS - it'll have to be a nice, used, underpowered, air-cooled 2010 model. Which is fine as I'm not keen on the direction BMW is taking the big GS. For now I'm loving my 1100GS more every day! But I'm obviously not the average 50-something male motorcyclist they're aiming at
At any rate, it will be fun to watch how it plays out for the next couple of model years.
From Hellforleather Mag:
OH NO! I was going to buy the 2011 GSA. But regardless, what are your thoughts on this? I know the engine has been oil/air cooled for the longest time.
next we'll start getting the photochop's and artist's renderings...
i just want something different to ADD to what i already own
the diavel speaks to me (not to everyone, of course)
with an estimated 183 hp at the crank with the full termignoni exhaust.....
she'll be a BLAST to ride
folks are already seeing 8.7 seconds in the 1/4 mile on a stock bike, with NOTHING changed whatsoever
the exact opposite of my beloved GS Adventure
do i need the diavel?
HELL NO !!!
am i crazy?
that's already been established
I'd be curious at how many runs/type of rider made that pass.
I see this thing as either breaking the tire loose or doing wheelies (more likely). I don't see an 8sec bike here.
Not doubting your word, just wondering how.
the bike is stretched out, already
at more than 62"....
it's a V-MAX-type bike
so..... it isn't made for going around corners, sadly
not sure i WILL get it
i had an MV Agusta Brutale 910R in the past....
i did like it
we'll see about this bike
high "COOL" factor, but i will always love a GS more... without a doubt in the world
I wouldn't buy anything until after the end of the world in 2012 when Euro anything won't matter. At that point everything will be less expensive.
Ok..another look at the pic..I see it now.
I bet that think is a hoot to ride around town, if you can keep a tire on it.
:eek1 what only five pages so far
Sure I do.
You know there is some extra shit in the valve train.
The wording on the cover picture gives a clue for the reasoning behind water-cooling the engine.
Euro 4 is one level of the different emissions standards for the EU
Like the HD V-rod ...
Water cooling allows the engine to run in a narrower temperature range, allowing for reduced emissions. The reduction of temperatures at the upper end of the range will theoretically lengthen engine life as well.
In other words, get used to it. As emissions standard get tighter and tighter, you will see less and less air/oil cooled engines. They're making liquid cooled lawnmowers now.
Maybe BMW have to do this to meet emisions
yes, a water cooled will produce more power for its physical size
is it needed? I dont think so, I love my 1150 - no ABS - its Australian basic model, more than enough power for me
I often thought that the 1200 was the step too far, liek the Germans got in to a dick swinging competition, who can build the biggest 'adventure' bike
honestly I would like to see them go back to 1000cc (or there abouts) and also an 800 version but both of them be BOXER and basic as well, whilst the Canbus seems to have been proved, I don't want the electric suspension or other stuff to go wrong - soon they will be putting a radio in it!
I would have got an 1100 if one was available, but my 1150 came first, its been great for getting long, two up, camping kit for three weeks, and not hanging around either - once we did about 200km at 150km/hr in total comfort.
Sorry, whilst I am intrigued by the mechanics of it all, it doesn't appeal to me, I suppose I am not the demographic that they are aiming at
That seems like prudent thing to do with BMW's track record.
That was my first thought upon seeing the new rendition. That and the ability to handle more ponies. I wonder if they will apply that common sense to other areas of the bike. oser
They already do, It's called a R1200R.
The differences between my 2007 GS Adventure and a 2011? Not a flicker of interest by me. This new bike? A flame. And it will be time to get a new bike, too. I can wait. (Hang in there, old gal. )
I'll probably get myself a 1150 GS Adventure for my love of the air-cooled bikes and one of these as my "go to".
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!! As time marches forward, typically improvements and refinements come with it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new GS, which I'm sure will be great and because of that I'm putting money aside for it. In the meantime I'll enjoy my 09.
As for those who may not like it and only desire the air-cooled version, don't worry, because there will probably be plenty of used 2005's to 2011's on the used market to choose from.
Water-cooling was inevitable, and hinted at in interviews by BMW brass a year or two ago. Porsche had the same dilemna in the 90s with the 911. In order to meet emissions and deliver the power that we all demand (whether we can use it or not), they had to go down this path.
I love the air/oil-cooled bikes, and they will always be my favorite, but my 1200GSA is a very sophisticated piece of kit that has a lot of electronic wizardry. It is not simplicity that drives the fondness for air/oil-cooled bikes anymore, it is a sentimental attachment.
When I need simple, I jump on my R50/2, and if anyone has an R100GS PD for sale, drop me a line
I love my '02 Adventure. It is a solid bike and non-servo ABS brakes work well. But liquid is frankly the shit. The simple fact that minimal internal engine clearances can be maintained easier than air/oil cooled can. This equals loads more available power from the same CC sizes.
Power rawks the motorcycle world, but I my GS is good for me. That said, my KX500 (read single cylinder liquid cooled) is an animal!