The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. The Last Cowboy

    The Last Cowboy Gettin' by

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    FNG here...1st post on this great site.
    Anyway, Yesterday I rode my DL100 down to the local dealer. I hopped on a new 2013 WC and was thoroughly impressed.

    A friend has a 2011 GSA, so I was expecting a same, but different feel to the motor. Uhh, no! The throttle response and clutch are wayyy different and better on the WC in my opinion.

    I was so impressed that I pulled the trigger on one of the 7 they have in stock. I've been looking for a replacement for the Vstrom for awhile anyway. The only thing I may miss on that bike is the simplicity.

    I'm 5'9, 32" inseam. This bike feels like it was made for me.

    I have one question for those in the know. The bike I selected does not have the LED headlight. There is another one in stock, same equipment, except it has the LED lighting and a stainless exhaust (vs chrome on the other). $800 seams like a lot for a light.

    Any thoughts, comments or suggestions?

    Great site, I lurked a lot when I had the Strom.
  2. marchyman

    marchyman Cam Killer

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    If it is one of the standard packages it also include the tire pressure monitor. As for worth... that's up to you. I don't ride enough in the dark to care. When I do get stuck riding at night I slow down. Changing a bulb once a year doesn't upset me all that much, either. On the other hand I've already ordered a light bar so I can mount my fog lights for daylight conspicuity.

    What's important to you?
  3. The Last Cowboy

    The Last Cowboy Gettin' by

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    I just want to see the road at night very well. I ride home in the dark quite often. The deer here are numerous, but small. An impact, even a small one, will ruin your ride though.

    The lights on my Vstrom are among the best I've ever had. I would like to have at least that same degree of output from the Halogen unit on the GS. If the LED is light years ahead, it would be worth the bump to me. If not, I'll just get some axillary driving lights.

    TPMS matters not to me.
  4. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Go for the LED.
    1) People verified it is way better.

    2) It's not just the light. One has an extras package that the other doesn't.

    3) LED is becoming something like the trademark of the new LC GS. I see people in a few months (non GS people) to say "ah this is not the new one, the new one has the LED".

    4) No LED WILL (I will sign for this) affect resale value. If you care.

    On the other hand. LED is an "unknown" right now. We don't know the real longevity of it (supposedly it's huge).
  5. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    Rode with a couple friends, one with the new LED and the other with the old school halogen. The LED is light years ahead. Throws off a brilliant white beam both wide and far. You'll have no regrets if you buy it.
  6. paco fernandez

    paco fernandez Mexico

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    I have it with LED and is a great upgrade, old halogen wasn't enough. At Mexico nobody wants the halogen version, dealers are having problems to sell those bike that they already have in stock, them discount 1,200 usd from the tag price.


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  7. The Last Cowboy

    The Last Cowboy Gettin' by

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    Thanks for the replies and input. Lots of good info here from people with real world experience.

    Once again, great site!
  8. Desert John

    Desert John Desert John

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    I wouldn't own it without the LEDs. Plain and simple, I am seen and I can see.
  9. sbrownn

    sbrownn SlowMo

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    Anyone know what the turn signal cancel wire color code is on the GSW? My assumption would be it is the same BLSW as on the previous bike but I'm not positive.
  10. At adventure

    At adventure AB

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    Yes but I was told it was unlikely to be a balance issue. Not sure I agree with that because the weights must be trying to correct some issue? Maybe I should go to a tyre specialist.
  11. Hambonee

    Hambonee Been here awhile

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    I am going to buck most of the crowd and say the LED is nice but not needed for $800.

    1)Yes it will resell for less but you pay more
    2)Yes it is VERY good but the GS has been around forever without one and can continue just fine without.
    3)Some aftermarket spotlights can be had much cheaper and will function where you are going to need them.
    4)I have no issue seeing or being seen with the standard lights.

    Anyways..It is really a matter of priority. I probably would have bought with if the bike was in stock with but did not want to wait and fine without. Looking at the whole setup if I get really desperate to have them down the line I wonder if it will be possible to swap out the unit for the LEDs. I bet it is pretty modular.

    Plus, all I think you get ith the LED is TPS also...pretty sure..and I HAVE heard of issues with the TPS...dang you BMW for not making this something you can just get on your own:bluduh
  12. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    1. True. Yet it will also resell EASIER with them. (dealers already discount NEW ones without them) Also the price difference is not just the lights.

    2. True. Many other things also. Like water cooling. Or ASC, or ESA, or ABS... So? (or we can take this further and say that most riders are perfectly fine without a GS)

    3. Not really the same. At all.

    4. So if something is already good (which btw is NOT true for non-LC GS... standard lights are far from being the best in category), you are not allowed to make it better?

    OK I understand we all want to make "excuses" for our choices, but sometimes we just have to say simple things like "well it's nice but I can't pay for that", "well it's nice but I want other things more", or "well it's nice but I already did the other thing and I have to like it" (I don't say any of the above fits you).
    For example in my case the whole LC thing is fantastic (both on paper and on the tests I did), but I just can't pay for it now. So I say "my 2007 is fine AND I might be able to get that version "1.5" LC after all the beta testing is done". Yet, I know perfectly fine that this is just my excuse. :evil
  13. pauljm

    pauljm R1200GS WC

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    The LEDs are worth waiting for. Best lights I have had on a bike by far.
    Don't bet you can just swap in the LEDs down the track got caught with my latest car. Needs rewriting harness for xenon lights, basically too expensive to even consider. I am told.
  14. emack

    emack Adventurer

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    Okay, I'm sure this has been covered, but I can't find it. I'm adding a fuse block under the seat for my accessories (air horn, lights. etc) and am trying to find a good wire to tie into that's hot when the bike is on. I tried the green wire off of the GPS power because it is hot when on, but that isn't working for some reason. I know my relay is good because I hooked it up straight to the battery through a switch and it's fine. Where have you guys tapped into for your switched accessories?

    Thanks!
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  15. Bazgab

    Bazgab Been here awhile

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    My fuse block is going at the very tail end of the bike. The closest switched power source I found back there was a wire coming out of what I later realized was the TPM module. I am pretty sure I don't want to tap into that so I need to find something else.

    I would want to use the diagnostic plug next to the battery but I am unsure of which wire I need to use (haven't tried testing them yet). At a glance, the wire colors are different from previous years as I don't recall seeing the Blue/Green wire that most use to tap into. My Skene P3 lights need to tap into this wire and I would not be able to hook anything else up to it, so I still need to find another switched power source.
  16. cjack

    cjack Been here awhile

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    Is the tail light a simple one filament? Or the parking light which I usually use at the front of the bike. Is there a switched wire from the diagnostic plug that is not data?
  17. Bazgab

    Bazgab Been here awhile

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    You cannot use the tail light wire, it will throw a !LAMPR code if you do, ran into that when installing the P3 Lights because of not reading the note in the instructions. I haven't looked into the parking light but i don't know if there is a separate wire for it, I have the LED headlights so all the front lights are enclosed in that, I need to take off some of the front panels to check out that wiring.

    There might be a switched wire from the diagnostic plug, i need to test the wires with my multimeter. There just isn't the blue/green wire like the old one, there is a red wire (power, not sure if switched or not yet), brown (ground), and two other wires.

    EDIT: I just heard from Jerry Skene who just had another customer find a good source for a switched power connection. There is a red or orange wire with a brown trace coming out of the connector for the left handgrip. This is found right above the bike's ECU under the rider's seat. See picture below for more exact location.

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  18. Dave Flanders

    Dave Flanders Adventurer

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    Just picked up my new GS h2o and can not access enduro pro mode. Even though I bought a bike with all three option packages which states its the enduro pro computer my dealer now tells me its an extra.
    Anyone know if this is correct or not?
  19. Hambonee

    Hambonee Been here awhile

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    oh..not saying that!

    I just think it is a priority thing..it was wait or have now. In 4 years(when LEDs are standard on all bikes) I will probably swap for one that is...

    Just providing some input after the "you can't survive without" responses...

    You can...but it is a damn nice option if you are willing to pay for...just not as desperatly required as some make it sound.:D

    Either way I am REALLY glad they went to LED as hopefully this will start a trend towards making them standard and doing away with the old ones. Really..it should not take this long to adopt something like this...
  20. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Enduro Pro is a mode that gets enabled by small "stick" (like USB stick) you plug on a port under the seat.

    It IS for free and NOT an extra for people that have bought the "ride modes" version.

    So tell your dealer that you are waiting for your plug and he'd better find one.