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Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.
Also looks like that to me, there should be some weird optical ilusion
To me, it looks like R 1000GS.
I disagree, The Ducati, despite the marketing hype, is not a Dualsport bike. And on a bike that needs to perform offroad, off idle smoothness and torque far outweigh sales team driven HP & top speed numbers. Lets hope BMW isn't foolish enough to try and compete with a bike that is not it's competition.
Ride the Multi, and while they have 'numbers', it's a far cry from being refined or feeling like you want to spend time in the saddle. Off-idle fueling is notchy at best (and often posted in Ducati forums), and at the risk of sounding 'old', I just don't see the need for the power in a DS.
The GS was/is about refinement and I'm sure BM is doing their due diligence on this model. But if it comes out to be more road-oriented, I wonder how many people will go Orange. Which is another can of worms.
It will still be a BMW GS, but it will have higher HP, better brakes, and more road oriented design features. I'm not espousing theory here; just look at the prototype pictures. The Multi is a better road bike by most measures, and I'm sure BMW isn't happy about that. Most likely their goal will be to keep the GS's off-roading ability while matching the Multi on road.
I can't disagree that 'if' or 'when' the Multi is tuned and does its best it's better on-road. It's just that there have been lots of teething pains with Ducati's 20K+ bike.
I guess it depends where BM decides it wants to focus. Road, and chasing sales numbers (which is somewhat understandable). Or staying true to the lineage of a G/S even if it's a water cooled bike.
The radial brakes on the test mule's forks tell me the answer.
Probably about the same amount that go Orange right now, a virtually unrecognizable blip,
on the radar screen of GS sales.
If it has 30 more hp, same torque down low, weighs the same, fits tall folk and doesn't have cruise, I want the adv version please.
It looks like the cylinders are kinda high up on the engine.
Maybe a unitized engine and transmission ?
Maybe a wet multi-plate clutch ?
Perhaps. . . .for now. Once a watercooled G/S is out, what's the difference between a KTM or a GS besides the shaft drive? I'd wager there would be a considerable number of people doing serious looking once the H2O version is deployed.
Hmm, No Mickey Mouse ears....F800 style mirrors.....
The stalwart few, that never bothered purchasing a HP2E in the first place, but still revere it's image / memory, like a Porsche enthusiast's 959 garage poster, perhaps. Outside of that, I feel you're waxing poetically / lamenting generational change, for changes sake.
Some additional weight and technological sophistication, will not turn BMW's cash cow GS series, into a festooned roadie. It's not to say that for a few, the additional pounds won't interfere in hard core off road use, but those owners are still truly an extremely small percentage, of GS buyers.
The only thing a considerable number of people will be doing, when this bike is released, is lining up in droves to buy them. Feel free to pm me, if KTM's numbers go through the roof at the same time,
I'll buy you lunch.
As to weight, look at it this way: It could gain 30 pounds and still be lighter than the beloved 1150.
I'm curious: Why would radial mount brakes make them less off-road capable?
BMW knows that, despite the hairy chest beating on forums like this, that most of the miles that GSs do is road miles. They are used as very comfy road bikes with good real road performance. They are used a lot less on dirt than people admit.
The Multistrada challenges that market, so BMW wants to up the ante. GSs are an aspirational bike, sold on the dream of crossing deserts and mountains and shit.
Just like the vast majority of Land/Range Rovers and other SUV's clogging the freeway.
Is it just me, or does anybody else see painted plastic covering the entire gas tank?
Also, I am like some others in reguard to the gs, gsa, being to big and really to nice and expensive of a bike to really take off road. I have done it on three occasions, no trails, just gravel with a little dirt where the gravel had sunk into the dirt, but the whole time praying that I did not drop it. The gsa did just fine, but I finally wised up and purchased a DR 650 for all of that.
But it is nice to know that you can. I have a GSA and out of its 30k it has done maybe 10% on dirt/mud roads. But I am proud of that 10%.
right. also look at the beak...very good camouflaged.
BMW is a genuis in disguising their vehicles.
Ever thought this could be a 5 series? Looks more like a Rover to me
The same with the bikes.
The big areas are all not productionready. But some details like the brakelight, indicators etc look finished.
But gastank, and instumentpanel etc aren't the real ones.
The other player that needs to be given consideration is Triumph, they clearly have their sights on BMW. First the Tiger 800XC and soon the Tiger Explorer. Take a look: