The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    I think we're saying parallel things, certainly from different perspectives.

    You could look at it this way. Your Porsche analogy is appropriate, in that when the 993 was replaced by the 996, enthusiasts howled. The 993 was the last in line of the air cooled Boxer for the marque, after that the 996 got a fat ass. Whether you liked the purity of the 'old' 911, or the performance of the 'new' 911 was up to you.

    The Jeep and Range Rover also have moved from roots as a utility vehicle into a suburbanites SUV through decades of evolution. Better? That's up to you and how you use it. Personally, I don't see any 'Sport' or 'Utility' in either Vehicle line but that's me. Though you can't argue that if you cross a continent in an LR3, you'd be far more rested than if you did it in its cousin from 1963.

    Or, you could take the line that when Porsche (or others) launched their Cayenne SUV, it enabled the company to fund more focused vehicles in their respective lineups (Carrera, Cayman, etc).

    IMHO, a water cooled GS is just another bike in the segment as its caved to the market. There won't be anything unique to it once it's launched, since it's an amalgam of other bikes in its league. At that point, I will look at purchasing from all available bikes with water cooling (Triumph, Ducati, KTM) as it will be a level playing field, albeit with a shaft drive instead of chains.

    BMW fan boys can shout all they want and say sales number will stay the same. Maybe so, but what are you buying? The logo? What makes this bike different / better than its competition when it's launched? That's my question. Or has the GS already become the SUV of the motorcycle world?

    I'm not against progress and am no luddite. I just see a company whose heritage was/is about innovation copying their peers and caving to market. Seems like a knee jerk reaction regardless. The test will be in the demo ride though.
  2. Ze_zaskar

    Ze_zaskar Been here awhile

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    Something that's now frequently mentioned is that many users end up doing what their vehicle makes them confortable to do so. In other words, the vehicle will influence the costumer's behavior.

    Many KTM 950/990 do more off road because the bike encourages them to do so, they didn't bought the KTM because they did more off road. I also know many people who bought LR Defenders because of the style, and them ended being off road addicts.

    It's obvious that someone who gets a new bike that's heavier/fragile/expensive (or simply looks like it is) will be doing less off road. Then the brand, with all its surveys understands that their users stay on the road and then releases the next model even less dirt friendly. And so goes on.

    I remenber when Land Rover released the L322 RR, it was, effectively, the most off road capable Range Rover of all generations. Yet, buyers had many reservations and disconfort to put a spaceship in the mud and rocks. How did Land Rover understood the decline in off road use of the RR? That costumers didn't wanted or needed such a dirt worthy vehicle.
    Get me?
  3. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    +1 The GSA now is the motorcycle version of the H1 Hummer. While it can do some true off road in the dry it's takes and 6'5" line backer to muscle it around. If you took in in the northern woods, and muk you would need a log skider to pull it out.

    Keep the GSA for those who want the "look" and the few guys big enough and skilled enough to muscle it around.

    For the rest of us...I hope the new water head GS is lower, lighter, cast wheels with tubeless tires and full ESA with the low suspension. oh and a low exhaust too so the bags can be lowered for much better C of G for twisty handling. this make the bike much more suitable for exploring remote paved and dirt roads that exist all over the US and Canada.
  4. 996DL

    996DL Buell me

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    I don't feel the adv field is becoming in any way homgenized, with inline triples, vertical twins, L twins and the as always unique, boxer layout. BMW learned and admitted, that with development of the HP2S dohc air / oil cooled format, it had reached the peak outputs this motor could yield, without sacrificing reliability.

    The sad fact in this evolution is that BMW, with their finger in seemingly every damn piehole segment of motorcycling, won't have the flexability to maintain production of two distinct boxer formats, for any given length of time. I don't see the air / oil cooled motor staying in production long, once the w/c boxer is up and running and yes from a purist standpoint, that is a shame. But this same cycle has been repeating, since the dawn of motorcycling and usually the biggest antagonists of change, are the one's most impressed with the demo rides. :wink: :thumb

    I still have BIG ISSUES, with the Castiglione bros pulling the plug on the Mille bevel, immediately after assuming ownership of Ducati, but that ship sailed a long time ago... :2cry :lol3

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  5. McNeal

    McNeal Long timer

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    Isn't that what the F800GS is targeted at?
  6. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    Not to turn this into an oil-thread, but could it be that the new GS won't be water cooled but rather have a large oil cooler with a fan?

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  7. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet Been here awhile

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    I get tired of this kind of crap about the GSA. Based on the last paragraph you don't want a GS at all. Just get an RT.

    I have a GSA and ride it off road quite a bit and I am 5'8" and wish I was built like a linebacker. A GSA a Hummer? You've got to be kidding. It has a tank that holds a couple extra gallons and has some extra travel. How does that make it a hummer? It weighs less dry than my old 1100 GS!! So don't give mr this crap about it being so big. I use that extra suspension and I use the extra fuel capacity and love the fact it has both.

    Just ride what you like and don't bash others rides.
  8. McFuryMcNugget

    McFuryMcNugget me specie in dea ist

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    Dear Tuscan.

    I was dancing with tear in my eyes and you pull this shit:lol3 Oil with a Fan Shit.:eek1
    What A good Strong Left Hook jabb. It did stop me in my steps dancing :D
    What am i going to think now Will i get a RR 1300 GSR ? to push over the lava up here in Viking land ?*
    What will Santa have to say about that ?

    Will it have low profile tires and a spoiler this new OIL FAN :lol3 RR1300GSR then i can use knee skid pads.

    I prefer METAN / Helium / Hybrid drive better with a touch of Salt.

    McFury Who can wait for the New Water / OIL / Metan R1300GSR.

    My best McFury.

    Crying with tear in my eyes.:D

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  11. Shorty

    Shorty carpe'diem ona motorcycle

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    You may be right, but I may be crazy.

    :hmmmmm I don't see a water pump or hose either, looks like maybe an oil cooler and line up front. :dunno
    Some finning in front of cylinder/head also.... could still be called a "wethead"
  12. Okie Preacher

    Okie Preacher Been here awhile

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    dmac57 left a question on the table that I would like to hear answered.

    School me. :ear
  13. Meeni

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  14. marchyman

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    Are you assuming that the tank is that thing in front of the rider? If BMW moved the air box forward for a straight shot to the heads the tank may be someplace else. :dunno

    The BAR-DESIGN image? That's an artists conception based upon what can be seen in the early spy photos and an existing bike. Based upon the latest photos they got at least some things wrong. Note the windshield, for example.
  15. McFuryMcNugget

    McFuryMcNugget me specie in dea ist

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    The Brand new RR1300GSA.The new name for the bike in Iceland

    Juggerfest.

    Ladies and Gentelmen.


    tattttattaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Drum roll.

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  16. vtbob

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    In looking at these pictures I do not understand why the exhaust pipe needs to be bent forward and then loop around back again. Seems needless bends, length weight. The place meant of the foot peg, brake or shifter seem far enough back so there would be not interference. Might it be a heat thing?

    My guess, vote also be for the large wide tank thing is a combo radiator ducting, air box, with the fuel tank and battery under the seat and maybe further back like the F800s. The picture sure do make that tank/radiator thing wide...nearly as wide as the cylinders.

    PS in the previous post I was not taking a shot at the GSA...just some fun at the parking lot ballerinas tip toeing around.
  17. Dorsicano

    Dorsicano Adventurer

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    Hey! hey!! hey!!! Talking about me?
  18. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    Someone care to teach us about the thermical properties of oil vs water?

    [TaSK]
  19. DockingPilot

    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    Dont know the exact #'s, but there is quite a significant difference between the 2 in the ability to shed heat.
  20. Spoke

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