The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    From looking at the pictures I'd say this thing is way beyond prototype but of course I can be completely wrong.
  2. RED CAT

    RED CAT Bumpy Backroader

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    Whatever happens, it'll be better. It just gets better every year. If they could just get rid of that noisey dry clutch while they are at it. Give me an oil bath any day!
  3. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    It has an oil bath casset type clutch.
  4. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    Does that mean clutch replacement is possible without splitting the bike in half?
  5. Kawidad

    Kawidad Long timer

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    If it has a cassette style transmission, then the answer is yes. You just drop the oil pan (so to speak) and the transmission components come with it. No need to remove the engine or split the bike in half.
  6. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    New transmission and clutch also required the final drive to move to the left. Pretty sure this didn't only happen for parts sharing reasons with the K-models...

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    http://www.s-kraft.net/

    Is what I marked as clutch and tranny actually both the transmission?

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  7. flightestman

    flightestman Been here awhile

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    When does the EU new emission standard in the month come to being in 2012?
  8. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Long timer

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    It doesn't come in until 2014. That's why its thought the bike won't come out until 2013. Existing bikes don't have to comply though so BMW could delay if they wanted or needed to. So long as they didn't change anything on the twin cam and need type approval they could keep it till either 2016 or 2018 can't remember which. This applies to all manufacturers by the way HD Ducati et all. If their existing aircooled engines aren't clean enough they will disappear as well. It's the end of an era and good ridens to it as far as I am concerned.
  9. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    Where you are getting these information from, it's wrong.

    Mr. von Künheim says the company is perfectly capable of getting the air-cooled engines through not just the next round of Euro emissions regulations but the ones after those too. He stated that several times in front of the press. He further says the air cooled boxer engine will still exist for a while in form of Classic versions, for as long as people buy them. No details about these Classic versions are provided.

    Euro 3 scooters and motorcycles up to 125 cc: 2016
    Euro 4 / 5 motorcycles above 125 ccm: 2016
    Euro 6 motorcycles above 125 cc: 2020
  10. idea man

    idea man Plate Spinner

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    Zehr interesant...
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  11. flightestman

    flightestman Been here awhile

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    I heard from a dealer when said i bought the 2012GS but i know the new one will be out in 2013 he said that bike won't be out for a long time. Though the spy pictures i thought made that new design look ugly now that see it looks good but it so similar to the R1200GS in white fully loaded it would get now that i have i know other then like small difference it the same bike. i don't ant a GT modern display and i love the old air oil more it looks better with the exhaust coming out the front.
  12. Donkey

    Donkey Been here awhile

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    :huh
  13. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I have a 2010 but compared to the 2013 it looks dated (2004).
    The dealer says what he needs to say to sell bikes today and not tomorrow (as long as there's no official word form BMW Motorrad).
    This year he sells the 2012 and next year the same thing (at least if it's USA/Canada) but in 2014 he will sell the new thing in NAFTA as well, I could be wrong :D
  14. Marki_GSA

    Marki_GSA Long timer

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    I did say IF their engines aren't clean enough not that they aren't.
  15. bingbong

    bingbong Been here awhile

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    Make no mistake that GS will be launched this year. Otherwise we will all be riding Triumphs :D
    seriously they must see how much interest the trumpet is getting. It's even right at the top of my list, and I am a BMW fanboy :norton
  16. bigdave-gs

    bigdave-gs Explorer

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    Well I think that cruise control on my GSA would sure come in handy on my trip from Texas to Alaska and back. I'm not much on gadgets either, damn sure don't like ESA, if I want to listen to music I have ear phones, but cruise would help the old paws on that long of a trip. :D
  17. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    We'll see how deep that interest is when the sales figures for the last 6 months are ready.

    My guess is that the GS outsells the Triumph 10:1 in Europes biggest marked (which is Italy).

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  18. EJ_92606

    EJ_92606 Rider

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    Well, at the Los Angeles Motorcycle show there wasn't anyone looking at the new Explorer when I walked by...heck the R1200R sport got more attention and the R is a low selling bike in the U.S. with just a warmed over mid-cycle change. And GS sales in the US were very strong in 2011, so it sure doesn't seem that anyone was holding back waiting for the Explorer....shrug
  19. 996DL

    996DL Buell me

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    Oh I'm pretty sure we all can concede, that no one is going to seriously tilt the scales, of BMW's sales dominance in the adv category. :bore

    But for those that want to break out of the lineup queue, leading up to and through the BMW dealers doors, it's sure nice that there's getting to be such a diverse bunch of competent and competitive alternatives, arriving on the scene.

    996DL
  20. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    The problem with the air oil cooling is power density. It is hard to achieve durability at high horsepower levels with air oil cooling. Winter things are a little cold and there is too much clearance. Summer too little. They know that people look at the horsepower and make a decision. Why have 100 horsepower when you can have 130. Sure, 50 is enough, but people are not like that. For those that know better, they will have the classics as long as the emissions cert process is not expensive, and the sell. The rest get the higher power.

    Bet the higher power outsells.

    Rod