The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    Knowing people who do business in China, I know that it is possible to make high quality goods there. I also know that maintaining quality control over there is a freaking nightmare. BMW has already had enough QC problems with euro sourced parts, so the track record does not exactly fill me with confidence. :puke1
  2. conrado

    conrado Been here awhile

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    Has any one seen this picture ? I found it in the German GS-Forum, there was no mention were it came from.

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  3. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    best picture yet

    The fairing in the front seems a bit unfinished yet. It there some type of fairing mount by the fork clamp area. The detail around the head lights seems un finished to. Lots to me ilke they are still working on fairing design/details

    the engine looks very far forward....?? if true seems a lot more weight on the front wheel
  4. ragtoplvr

    ragtoplvr Long timer

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    about the only way to get quality parts every time is have a source inspector over there. You go the the various vendor factory's when they are making your parts, verify the quality before they are packed to ship to you and you pay for them.

    This is such an expensive process many will try not to do it and disaster will strike.

    The source inspector can not be Chinese, as I will not trust any of them. So you end up sending one of your guys, and he verifies the parts. This makes you buy large quantities, and tie up capitol.

    You still run the risk of having your vendors decide you are not a good customer and drop you. The Chinese think all things break, defects happen and can not be prevented.

    So you have my opinion.

    Rod
  5. peter-k

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    A Swiss graphic designer did this. One of the MOTORRAD early bird photos is the basis.
  6. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I'd say the 2 pictures are pretty close:
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  7. Gregster

    Gregster Been here awhile

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    Looks like a Triumph :wink:
  8. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    How about a Moto Guzzi? :-)
  9. flightestman

    flightestman Been here awhile

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    What happens if the oil pump goes on the R1200GS i mean doesn't that equal if the water pump went. Also can the bike still run without the oil pump? so glad i bought the R1200GS the new one isn't for me. it to future is tic for a survival bike. the raised the pistons up and put fake fins on it i don't like the intake and the exhaust. Slipper clutch is nice, but maybe they won't put it on just like the F800GS. you an buy a slipper clutch for the R1200GS and get a ceramic clutch or wait and wonder when it will come in and wait cause you don't want the first year and skip the 90 years old classic in its finest phase of revolution.
  10. dmitrizouev

    dmitrizouev Adventurer

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    now we have to wait for water cooled URAL:freaky
  11. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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  12. dmac57

    dmac57 Long timer

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    Meh. Right now it's kind of like Playboy: Just show me the pictures, I can read later.
  13. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    Even with the rudimentary Google Chrome translating the German text, I think it's pretty clear from the text below:

    "Mr. von Kuenheim, how long will you hold on to the air-cooled boxer engine?

    I can assure you, we will hold on to the boxer with air cooling for years.

    How much more power and torque he would still have reserves?
    That depends on what one wants. For torque-oriented design we currently have safely reached an optimum. As good as the still very new DOHC boxer for the GS, R and RT, has never been a boxer engine. If oriented toward performance, the engine marks the top at the HP2 Sport. Between 110 hp and 133 hp everything is possible.

    The new EU guidelines for type approval are still far from resolved, the air-cooled boxer met so many years to come the valid regulations.
    What are the reasons you could make them preferable to the introduction of a water-cooled engine? The Boxer, as it is conceived today, we can also meet the future limits for exhaust and noise. It forces us to no water cooling.

    What are the technical advantages of the water engineers promise your boxers?

    An air-cooled engine comes with improved performance at some point and thermodynamically different materials natural physical limits. Water cooling offers advantages but would be a higher cost to operate the cooling system? As you know, effort, and usually means weight. Therefore, we consider very carefully what we do.

    Such an engine concept suggests that there might be in the foreseeable future, a sportier version of the R 1200 GS, similar to the Ducati Multistrada.
    What do you think? We already had exclusive, sporty offshoot of the GS in the program: the HP Enduro and - if one draws the circle a little bigger - the HP Megamoto. Both models have enough power to deliver lots of driving fun. I also did not feel that our successful boxer GS models necessarily need even more power.

    What do you prefer?
    The nostalgic charm and the simplicity of air cooled engines or the technical efficiency of water-cooled? In addition to purely technical conditions, it is very important to me, which plans to offer a product for you. Is the narrowest line six-cylinder with air cooling is not build. And like the engine of the K 1600 or the very compact four-cylinder water-cooled RR me very well. A boxer engine should never have the appearance of an industrial engine.
    "
    -September 2011


  14. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I can only image that the average GS rider got older and older over the years. So with ~46 not everybody wants to take off and cross the Sahara tomorrow. As much as I want to preserve the heritage I'm also totally exited about the first ever real modern Boxer engine...
  15. thehomealien

    thehomealien Been here awhile

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    I've made some improvements to the machine translation. Help me if you can.

    "Mr. von Kuenheim, how long will you hold on to the air-cooled boxer engine?

    I can assure you, we will hold on to the boxer with air cooling for years.

    How much more power and torque does does it have in reserve?
    That depends on what one wants. For torque-oriented design, we have certainly reached an optimum. There was never a boxer engine as good as the still-very-new DOHC boxer for the GS, R and RT. For performance-oriented design, the engine of the HP2 Sport is the pinnacle. Between 110 hp and 133 hp everything is possible.

    The new EU guidelines for type approval are still far from resolved, and the air-cooled boxer complies with regulations for years to come.
    What reasons can you give that make the introduction of a water-cooled engine preferable? With the boxer, as it is conceived today, we can also meet the future limits for exhaust and noise. Nothing forces us toward water cooling.

    What technical advantages do your engineers promise from the water-cooled boxer?

    When increasing performance thermodynamically and with some individual materials, at some point an air-cooled engine reaches its natural physical limits. Water cooling offers advantages here, though there would be an additional technical effort of pursuing water-cooling. As you know, additions usually mean weight. Therefore, we consider very carefully what we do.

    Such an engine concept suggests that there might be in the foreseeable future a sportier version of the R 1200 GS, similar to the Ducati Multistrada.
    What do you think? We already had an exclusive, sporty offshoot of the GS in the lineup: the HP Enduro and - if one draws the circle a little bigger - the HP Megamoto. Both models have enough power to deliver lots of driving fun. I also do not have the impression that our successful boxer GS models necessarily need even more power.

    What do you prefer?
    The nostalgic charm and the simplicity of air cooled engines or the technical efficiency of water-cooled? In addition to purely technical conditions, it is very important to me the kind of product that is offered. The narrowest inline six-cylinder cannot be built with air-cooling. And the engine of the K 1600 or the very compact four-cylinder of the RR are very pleasing as water-cooled engines. A boxer engine should never have the appearance of an industrial engine.
    "
    -September 2011


  16. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I'm curious about the first reviews of the V4 Crosstourer with Dual Clutch.
    I thought those Cross Spoked Wheels were BMW unique??

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  17. peter-k

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    Good job! Just two minor corrections. They do not really change the meaning which you did capture. Well of course really good English is still something else.

    The new EU guidelines for type approval are still far from resolved, and the air-cooled boxer complies with regulations for years to come.
    What reasons can you give that make the introduction of a water-cooled engine preferable? With the boxer, as it is conceived today, we can also meet the future limits for exhaust and noise. Nobody (or here: Nothing) forces us to towards water cooling.

    What technical advantages do your engineers promise from the water-cooled boxer?

    An air-cooled engine reaches when increasing performance thermodynamically and in connection with some individual materials at some point it's natural physical limits. Water cooling offers advantages here, though there would be an additional technical effort of pursuing water-cooling. As you know, additions usually mean weight. Therefore, we consider very carefully what we do.
  18. peter-k

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    That thing looks a lot lighter than it is. As a Varadero replacement it does make sense, indeed. As a GS replacement - not.
  19. thehomealien

    thehomealien Been here awhile

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    Thanks, peter-k! Those were the exact sentences that made no sense to me. I've altered them slightly and incorporated them into my post.
  20. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    The 1200GS is really a 1200S and the GS designation moved on to the F800GS.
    That's why I'm thinking Honda, Triumph, Ducati, Yamaha and BMW are all moving
    towards what most people using those machines for: Long distance motorcycling.
    The dual clutch V4 cold be nice (or not). I started 25 years ago with an '89 Transalp
    and back then couldn't afford nor wanted an "old people" boxer :-) Today I love the BMW brand and my camhead but...