The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. pmelby

    pmelby Home Brew Adventurer

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    I guess that if you are convinced that NHRA and NASCAR represent the pinnacle of automotive engineering innovation, it is a waste of my time trying to explain to you some of the benefits of a wet clutch/cassette type transmission. :lol3

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  2. Kawidad

    Kawidad Long timer

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    I think beer hunter needs to do a little more hunting and a little less posting. :cob
  3. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    You could argue that the old represents the past and the long BMW history and the new represents the future.
    I still prefer a good mechanical (automatic) watch over a digital one with battery
    so I'm definitely torn apart when seeing such long history changing direction pretty
    drastically....
    To me nothing was wrong with the separate Getrag transmission and the dry clutch works well most of the time. Not having to worry about water is no disadvantage either.
    Looking forward to test ride the 2013 and most probably all complaints will vanish?
  4. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    Having a strong gut feeling based strongly on recent history. :deal

    Started with the R1200GS and after discovering...or comming to the realization that they had a winner which gave them (BMW) the imputus to really go for it, the current CamHead is an outstanding motorcycle. look what the S1000RR has done and ride reports that the stock 2012 S1000RR is everybit as good as the fully race preped earlier ones. Then there is the K16's. That should give even the naysayers pause if they would even open their eyes slightly.

    I suspect that the upcomming Water Boxers will continue with BMW's string of home runs. Look to the same with their new scooters.

    I for one will be trying out one of the first to hit our shores.:lol3
  5. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    My guess is the new one will cost a couple of hundreds more than the "old" one.

    MOTORRAD writes the gearbox comes from China, Getrag does not want to make motorcycle gearboxes anymore. There might be some other parts as well they buy in China in the future. Cast aluminium is much cheaper there. How about the casing for the swing arm?
  6. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    It comes from China? Then I want to pay Chinese pricing ;-)
  7. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    FWIW the word I got at the NYC MC show was 2014 model year for the water boxer. Not necessarily the GS.
  8. dmac57

    dmac57 Long timer

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    I'm a couple days behind on this thread. I ran into the same issue on the MTS when one gave me the (serious) itch last year. IIRC, it was like six times as much to insure as my '02 1150. Even if you factor out age, that's a pile of money. BUT, that was from Allstate. The dealer was able to get a quote from GMAC that was liveable. Even with the improved performance of the wasserboxer, I seriously doubt we'll see a "supersport" classification for the WC GS or RT. An RS? Maybe.

    Funny to read the comments that the MTS is not a tall guy's bike. I'm 5'7", and the "in cabin" ergos are perfect for me. :lol3 No stepladder comments. :ddog :muutt

    God, I love it.
  9. kindofblue

    kindofblue Ride it like you stole it

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    Wait, wait, don't tell me. The person who told you this was a dealer. And what's the dealer's prime directive? Selling the inventory he/she has. :D
  10. vtbob

    vtbob wanderer

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    Nope Not a dealer but one of the factory guys.....not that it make a big difference. BTW They will likely continue to keep making the current bikes for a while. My guess the water head will be in a street (not GS) version first. This is where the more HP will give them the most competitive advantage. But we will all have to wait and see.
  11. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Didn't the hex head make its first appearance in the GS, followed by the RT, ST, etc?
  12. Sailorlite

    Sailorlite Been here awhile

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    The new K16's were introduced at the shows, etc., in late 2010. Pre-ordering began late 2010/early 2011 for spring 2011 delivery as "2012" models.

    If the water boxers follow the same pattern, what's introduced this fall (2012) will be available in mid 2013 as 2014 models.
  13. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Agree, I'm sure they'll put that engine in the GS first, why would BMW launch all these nice pictures just before
    Christmas when people were thinking about new toys, or do you think those bikes just happen to ran into
    that shocked spy photographer?
  14. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    You may be surprised to know that China will be an issue for some. BMW, especially the GS/Boxer engines and the Berlin connection is kind of important.
  15. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    That applies for me, too.

    So far only the cast wheels, the battery and may be a few washers came from China.
  16. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Let's face it, most of us wouldn't post her without "Made in China", Tapatalk via iPhone, iPad.. :-)
    Theses days we benefit a lot from "Engineered in Germany" or "Made by BMW" but production moves around the globe, at least most of the value-ad happens in Germany...and the well paying jobs stay there as well, at least for now.
    Globalization is nothing new and living in Vancouver you better know some Mandarin and my kids for sure compete with a huge and hungry Chinese population but still, Saturday is German class again...
  17. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    After many years working in China all I can say is, all my hope is that this is not the future. For mankind.

    But now lets get back to the 1250 LC.
  18. vtbob

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    While that could be the case. I think that is not likely.

    This is a totally new engine and transmission (chinese???) package. Would it make sense to suffer the potential teething problems with their biggest sales model...the cash cow. If they put it in an RS version(sporty) more HP they would get reasonable sales and the Public Relations exposure. More slowly ramp their production line, get customer miles, etc. They could charge a premium price too. My guess the sequence would be RS, RT, GS and R last as that is the low price model.

    They did this when the R1100 engine came out...the last really big change in engine and transmission.
  19. 996DL

    996DL Buell me

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    Stay out of the casinos... :wink:

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  20. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    No kidding............