The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    If that was true then why people do not buy all an RT, and make this model to the No. 1? I think what you are doing here is giving the perfect example of misleading with figures.

    It may be true that - say - 80 % of miles on a R12GS are clocked long distance touring, But does it also mean that 80 % of GS riders need to have a long distance tourer?

    If the R12.5GS cuts off on the adventure side, it will be the beginning of the end of a long long success story, IMO. I am convinced that most want to have "die Wollmilchsau".
  2. vtbob

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    I agree. The GS "look" has great appeal...but the reality of off road, single track or very bad road riding is not taken up by most GS riders. Many just do paved road touring. The advantage of the 19inch front and the option of a lot of useful bags contribute to this. Why so many put up with the insanely high (for road bike) height and tip toeing around is beyond me.

    The new honda focus on this more core market...but it is really heavy.
  3. GB

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    It's a pretty good photochop of the first picture... nothing new here.
  4. tallguy-09

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    This was the start 30 years ago, what happened then? You tell me :-)

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    Yes, the GS offers a fantastic seat/riding position and there's not much of a choice if you're 6'7"...
    If I wanted to go off road I'd buy a 250 Yamaha.
    I'm admitting it: To me the GS appeal is in the SUV styling, Boxer, BMW history and brand image.
  5. tagesk

    tagesk Tuscan rider

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    ....and that it doesn't dive when you brake.

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  6. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Yes, I like that as well but the front end still feels a bit disconnected.
    The GS is simply an excellent motorcycle to me and the sales figures tell the story.
  7. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    The difference in between an R 1200 GS and the SUV, is one really can, the other one looks only as if.

    We can agree to disagree.
  8. dmac57

    dmac57 Long timer

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    So, no new news on the new bike then?


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  9. peter-k

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    Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

    He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.
  10. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    OK. No question if you're skilled you can do amazing stuff on the R1200GS/GSA.
  11. peter-k

    peter-k Candyman

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    I am a very average rider.

    But for example I've done some distance on OZ outback roads, with my wife and luggage for 4 weeks loaded. I am not sure if I would have been able to do this with my previous DL1000. Alone may be, two up ... I doubt it. Probably it would have dropped fairing parts into the landscape and the headlights would dangle down attached to the wire harness in front of the handle bars.

    As we have seen lately on the example of new bikes launched, it seems not easy making a bike with the kind of versatility the GS offers, the super-easy rideability, and the (relatively) low weight for its size. There are many bikes in the market yet no bike rides like the GS. And that is why we pay for it, and why we sometimes (grudgingly) accept its less than satisfactory failure rate.
  12. objectuser

    objectuser Been here awhile

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    Those comments surprised me as well. I'm 6'1", 34" inseam and I thought the MTS ergos were outstanding.

    Checking cycle-ergo.com, looks like I have a 78* angle on the MTS and an 81* angle on the GS.
  13. simmonsk133

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    Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

    He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


    Doesn't this seem odd? :norton Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
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  14. KSBEERHUNTER

    KSBEERHUNTER Been here awhile

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    Well, it took a while but, some are finally realizing that this might be a throw away engine! As in not rebuildable?
  15. JimVonBaden

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    Many, if not most, MC engines are built like that these days.

    Jim :brow
  16. Deans BMW

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    That is simply the silliest thing I have ever heard. :huh
  17. vtbob

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    This is the way automobile engines have been made for several decades now. Some use cylinder liners, some use plating i.e. nickasil i.e. BMW , Porsche etc

    No big deal here. Less weight, less parts, lower cost. i.e. moving into the 20th century(i.e. the last one)
  18. Marki_GSA

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    Less oil leaks too :thumbup:
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    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    While true, how many of those engine configurations have cylinders hanging outside the vehicle?

    I'd hate to see what would happen if this were a unified engine casting:

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  20. tallguy-09

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    New guy is from India (Bajaj Auto LTD) starting July 1st. 2012.
    He was working for BMW before, in charge of the design evolution from R 1150 GS to R 1200 GS...
    What does that mean for the R1250LC GS?

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    Robb and von Kuehnheim were a good team...
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