The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    I'm curious about the first reviews of the V4 Crosstourer with Dual Clutch.
    I thought those Cross Spoked Wheels were BMW unique??

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  2. peter-k

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    Good job! Just two minor corrections. They do not really change the meaning which you did capture. Well of course really good English is still something else.

    The new EU guidelines for type approval are still far from resolved, and the air-cooled boxer complies with regulations for years to come.
    What reasons can you give that make the introduction of a water-cooled engine preferable? With the boxer, as it is conceived today, we can also meet the future limits for exhaust and noise. Nobody (or here: Nothing) forces us to towards water cooling.

    What technical advantages do your engineers promise from the water-cooled boxer?

    An air-cooled engine reaches when increasing performance thermodynamically and in connection with some individual materials at some point it's natural physical limits. Water cooling offers advantages here, though there would be an additional technical effort of pursuing water-cooling. As you know, additions usually mean weight. Therefore, we consider very carefully what we do.
  3. peter-k

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    That thing looks a lot lighter than it is. As a Varadero replacement it does make sense, indeed. As a GS replacement - not.
  4. thehomealien

    thehomealien Been here awhile

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    Thanks, peter-k! Those were the exact sentences that made no sense to me. I've altered them slightly and incorporated them into my post.
  5. tallguy-09

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    The 1200GS is really a 1200S and the GS designation moved on to the F800GS.
    That's why I'm thinking Honda, Triumph, Ducati, Yamaha and BMW are all moving
    towards what most people using those machines for: Long distance motorcycling.
    The dual clutch V4 cold be nice (or not). I started 25 years ago with an '89 Transalp
    and back then couldn't afford nor wanted an "old people" boxer :-) Today I love the BMW brand and my camhead but...
  6. peter-k

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    If that was true then why people do not buy all an RT, and make this model to the No. 1? I think what you are doing here is giving the perfect example of misleading with figures.

    It may be true that - say - 80 % of miles on a R12GS are clocked long distance touring, But does it also mean that 80 % of GS riders need to have a long distance tourer?

    If the R12.5GS cuts off on the adventure side, it will be the beginning of the end of a long long success story, IMO. I am convinced that most want to have "die Wollmilchsau".
  7. vtbob

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    I agree. The GS "look" has great appeal...but the reality of off road, single track or very bad road riding is not taken up by most GS riders. Many just do paved road touring. The advantage of the 19inch front and the option of a lot of useful bags contribute to this. Why so many put up with the insanely high (for road bike) height and tip toeing around is beyond me.

    The new honda focus on this more core market...but it is really heavy.
  8. GB

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    It's a pretty good photochop of the first picture... nothing new here.
  9. tallguy-09

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    This was the start 30 years ago, what happened then? You tell me :-)

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    Yes, the GS offers a fantastic seat/riding position and there's not much of a choice if you're 6'7"...
    If I wanted to go off road I'd buy a 250 Yamaha.
    I'm admitting it: To me the GS appeal is in the SUV styling, Boxer, BMW history and brand image.
  10. tagesk

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    ....and that it doesn't dive when you brake.

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  11. tallguy-09

    tallguy-09 Smile 4 Miles

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    Yes, I like that as well but the front end still feels a bit disconnected.
    The GS is simply an excellent motorcycle to me and the sales figures tell the story.
  12. peter-k

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    The difference in between an R 1200 GS and the SUV, is one really can, the other one looks only as if.

    We can agree to disagree.
  13. dmac57

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    So, no new news on the new bike then?


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  14. peter-k

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    Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

    He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.
  15. tallguy-09

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    OK. No question if you're skilled you can do amazing stuff on the R1200GS/GSA.
  16. peter-k

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    I am a very average rider.

    But for example I've done some distance on OZ outback roads, with my wife and luggage for 4 weeks loaded. I am not sure if I would have been able to do this with my previous DL1000. Alone may be, two up ... I doubt it. Probably it would have dropped fairing parts into the landscape and the headlights would dangle down attached to the wire harness in front of the handle bars.

    As we have seen lately on the example of new bikes launched, it seems not easy making a bike with the kind of versatility the GS offers, the super-easy rideability, and the (relatively) low weight for its size. There are many bikes in the market yet no bike rides like the GS. And that is why we pay for it, and why we sometimes (grudgingly) accept its less than satisfactory failure rate.
  17. objectuser

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    Those comments surprised me as well. I'm 6'1", 34" inseam and I thought the MTS ergos were outstanding.

    Checking cycle-ergo.com, looks like I have a 78* angle on the MTS and an 81* angle on the GS.
  18. simmonsk133

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    Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

    He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


    Doesn't this seem odd? :norton Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
    Thanks...
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  19. KSBEERHUNTER

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    Well, it took a while but, some are finally realizing that this might be a throw away engine! As in not rebuildable?
  20. JimVonBaden

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    Many, if not most, MC engines are built like that these days.

    Jim :brow