The All New LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Dorsicano, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. fixinbones

    fixinbones Tarmac Adventurer

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    I don't think BMW is upping the HP to "keep up" with the MS. The HP increase with the new boxer is just a product of the improved technology that comes with the water cooled motor. If BMW wanted a 150hp boxer I think they could do that right now and they haven't. I don't think most people are shopping both a MS and GS as serious alternatives. The MS is an upright sport bike and the GS is the Swiss army knife of bikes. If they were shooting for the same purpose and functionality then I would have to get rid of either my GS or MS. I think they actually compliment each other quite well.
  2. spagthorpe

    spagthorpe Long timer

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    I agree. I think the bump in horsepower is simply the result of more people using them strictly as road bikes. On the street, more hp is rarely a bad thing. Lets not forget that even with equal hp, how much more does a GS weigh than a MS? I don't expect it would get away from anyone.

    I'd be fine with lopping 100lbs off the GS, and slapping a 1000RR motor in there. I don't like the GS for it's performance, Iike it because it fits my 6'5" frame better than anything else on the market. The performance I just have to put up with.
  3. peter-k

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    @ rforrester that was one of the top 3 posts in the 103 pages thread. Good example also regarding the difference in between our adventure tourer and a sit-up sports tourer.
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    Sorry guys but I have owned them all and the GSA is the best touring bike IMHO and can carry more stuff than even an LT.
  5. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    What he said.:clap:clap:clap
  6. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I specifically came to the BMW over the Triumph and Tenere because of the Boxer motor. I love the exposed mechanicals and the history in the motor. It's great to see they are continuing the heritage, even if it's evolving (or some would say devolving)...
  7. tallguy-09

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  8. objectuser

    objectuser Been here awhile

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    I personally really like the boxer engine, but have nothing against the K engines.

    What's the comparative engine weight of a R1200 and a K1300? Do they weigh about the same?
  9. Jonesky

    Jonesky Been here awhile

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    What's the point of it being a boxer if it's water-cooled? Are we just left with a lower cg? Along those same lines the choice between a Triumph Explorer and a BMW GS Boxer then is engine layout, I guess.

    I really liked the fact it didn't have radiators and fans for LC (other than oil cooler) since it seemed like the things always cooked me in some way. Oh well, we'll have to wait and see as to how it does.

    I'm thinking there might be a market for a 80 hp traditional boxer GS 800 oil cooled only. Big suspension, no can bus, or ESA, or ASC, (maybe ABS tho, for hypocrisy sake) and very simple with quality components and sell for 14K US. Not like the monster HP2 but simpler, smaller, cheaper. Probably conflicting desires here but it's a fantasy anyway. :lol3
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    You know if they get the LC boxer twin right there is nothing stopping a boxer Four. Flat four brings back memories of the early Led Wings!
  11. Graemsay

    Graemsay Been here awhile

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    The K1300R weighs about 20 kg / 45 lbs more than the R1200R; the K1300GT is 25 kg / 55 lbs more than the R1200RT; and the K1300S is about 45 kg / 100 lbs heavier than the R1200S. That said, the Ks are generally bigger than Rs.
  12. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    That's interesting. If that's a comparable weight penalty for the new 'WaterHeads'. . . . well, the jury's out certainly.
  13. objectuser

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    Very interesting. So it's at least plausible that the engines weigh the same. Outside of character, maybe the COG is the only advantage of the boxer engine?
  14. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    Am I missing something? 45lbs to 100 lbs is a considerable amount of weight for any size bike. I'm not seeing any similarities, weight-wise.
  15. peter-k

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    The R 1200 engine weights 71 kg without clutch and gearbox. I do not know how much is the weight of the K 1300 engine. Compare, a KTM 990 engine is about 58 kg.

    BMW says the new R 1250 will not be much different by weight. The additional weight of the watercooling is approximately offset by the ll in one case design.
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    I was just saying it seems plausible that the difference in weight might be due to differences in the bike in general and not the engine itself.
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    I am with you. Go back to simple screw type valve adjusters too. To me, ease of maintenance has always been one of the older boxer's great strengths.

    I have a neighbor that owns a Yamaha dealership. I was talking with him a week ago about the Super Tenere. He told me the valve adjustment intervals ,even the initial one, are 26k miles. I said "wow, that's about 4x what my BMW's intervals are". He said that he suspects that most buyers probably won't even ride enough to have to do the first one. I am hoping he's wrong and that people that buy them actually travel on them and enjoy them. I know a lot of BMW riders do.

    In a bad year I ride at least 30k miles on a bike. Ease of maintenance is a big deal for me, and I suspect I'm not alone.
  18. BCC

    BCC I know better

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    Not anymore. Maybe 30 years ago, but time marches on. Just look at what sells.

    Each aging generation laments the loss of simpler times. Part of life.
  19. tallguy-09

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    "Motorrad" will think about an R95 G/S in the next edition, modern and back to the roots,
    it won't happen, too expensive?

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  20. peter-k

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    It won't happen. It's in the same garden as the F 800 GS.

    But how about a lightweight R 1200 GS 'Classic'? Traditional forks, a 90 hp fuel consumption optimized engine, no main stand, lighter exhaust, no U-shape splash guard, and many other details lighter. But not a HP, please.