At least get your info straight. They made about 55bhp at the rear wheel. They weren't doggy in the context of their competition at the time. Context, you've heard of that, haven't you? I didn't say anything about them being a modern bike. It's 30 years old. And unlike today's BMW's, 30 year old designed Honda's driveshafts didn't blow up. It was a much more modern bike in respect to the issue of hydraulic valves that you brought up. And Honda's didn't lose their throttle sync after a few thousand miles. The worst thing about experts is that they can never accept that they aren't expert in all fields. Enjoy your orange juice and apple sauce this morning.