The battle of the late '90s Aero vs Road Star

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  1. Dr. Breedlove

    Dr. Breedlove Been here awhile

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    ...I can't afford it??


    Putting aside intangibles associated with personal taste and riding sensation, I believe the Kingpin crushes the performance and handling numbers of the two late 90's metric cruisers in question.
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  2. rooster shooter

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    I don't know if you can afford it or not, I just believe that the Aero is a better all around bike than the Victory. My opinion nothing more.
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  3. Dr. Breedlove

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    Opinions are fine. Numbers, though, don't lie...


    1998 Honda Aero 1100
    5 speed transmission
    52 horsepower
    62 ft-lbs torque
    0-60: 6.7 sec.
    1/4 Mile: 15.13 sec., 85.7 mph
    Top speed: 99.4 mph
    Fuel mileage: 35.1 mpg average
    Fuel capacity: 4.2 gal.
    Wet weight: 666 lbs.
    Wheelbase: 66.1 in.


    2010 Victory Kingpin
    6 speed transmission
    79 horsepower
    92 ft-lbs torque

    0-60: 4.5 sec.
    1/4 Mile: 13.47 sec., 95.8 mph
    Top speed: 125 mph
    Fuel mileage: 40.0 mpg average
    Fuel capacity: 4.5 gal.
    Wet weight: 685 lbs.
    Wheelbase: 65.6 in.


    So the Victory is faster, quicker, more powerful, gets better mileage, has more fuel capacity, is more compact, and has a 6-speed transmission. And the Honda is... uh.... lemme see...oh, right - 19 lbs. lighter. Hm - doesn't sound like a better all around bike to me.
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  4. Vertical C

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    You need to ride them both. Specs dont mean shit for cruisers.

    I havent ridden the Vic so have no idea which is better. But you need to use proper methodologies
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  5. rooster shooter

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    Hoss you're beating a dead horse, nobody but you really cares.
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  6. rauchman

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    Spec sheets are good and all, but if one doesn't find the Vic appealing....then one doesn't find the Vic appealing. That may play into why they no longer exist. After all, isn't a bike about an emotional thing? Also, is it fair to list a 2010, when what was mentioned was a 2003 - 2007 as a good value option? I have to believe the engines are smaller on the earlier models. Weren't they 92ci originally?

    I have no dog in this fight, and happen to like the Kingpin (one of my wife's all time fav's is the 2005 Arlen Ness Kingpin), but I think it's generally acknowledged Victory's aesthetics can be polarizing, while the Aero (and Road Star for that matter) stick to the classic cruiser look. For what it's worth (not much), the Aero pic above is freaking gorgeous. No Vic that I've ever seen gets anywhere near the classiness of that Honda.
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  7. Dr. Breedlove

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    Well Little Joe, you replied, so you must care too.
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  8. Dr. Breedlove

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    The emotional thing is intangible. Myself, I don't super like the Kingpin's style, but I'd pick it any day over the Aero clone above.

    But you only need 2 criteria to to determine what is a "better bike". One is that you're talking apples vs. apples. Both are cruisers, so check on that. The other are the performance numbers, which clearly show Victory as the better bike. The '07 Kingpin's stat's are identical to the '10 models. Both use the 100 cu.in. engine. The 92 cu.in. engine was gone by '06. But the 92 cu.in. motor still gives the Honda Aero 1100 a vicious spanking.
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  9. Dr. Breedlove

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    There are only two "proper" methodologies - stat's and category (i.e. cruiser vs. cruiser). Everything else is subjective. Some people prefer a Shovelhead over an Evo. Sure, ok. But the Evo is a better motor. That is a fact.


    I'm a little surprised to see posts claiming power and performance stat's don't matter when it comes to Japanese HD clones. Is this Bizarro World??
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  10. Scooterdoodler

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    I agree.

    But!!!.......which one provides the most pleasurable riding experience?

    In my world, it is the old Aero.

    However, I must qualify that statement by saying my Aero is ridden as a purely recreational motorcycle that is not used for covering a lot of ground in a day, or any other utilitarian or practical purposes.

    Also it is only ridden as a lightly loaded solo machine, so it's comparatively meager horsepower over the larger bikes isn't as much of a factor as it might be otherwise.

    For my purposes, the Honda Shadow Aero 1100 is my choice over almost any other bike of it's type, regardless of performance, age, or price.
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    For others, who may need to use it for wider purposes than my morning joy rides, it may well be inadequate.
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  11. Vertical C

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    I didn't say the extra power doesn't matter I said that you need to ride them to find out if it does.

    The fact that the Honda costs as much as the Victory even though its older and maybe slower tells me something about how people generally like both bikes. The market doesn't lie.
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    ....more fun to ride, and waaaaaay better looking.

    Yep, by the spec sheet, the Honda definately falls short of the Victory, and if I had to choose between the two as my only bike, I'd probably take the Victory.

    But we own four other bikes besides the old Aero, and if I feel like riding something with power (125), handling, and touring capability, I'll take my wife's BMW R1200R waterhead....
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    I just sold my Yamaha SR400 and Royal Enfield C5 500, both rated at a monstrous 27hp, so you may be able to understand how I can find the Aero's 54 hp to be pleasantly adequate for it's mission, which is too chug along at speeds up to about 70 mph, but no more than that.

    Your results may vary.
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  14. Dr. Breedlove

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    Pricing on the used market is where the intangibles come into play. For example, a used Yamaha SR400 runs around $4K. A used Vrod with under 20K miles can be had for not much more than that. A Vrod not far from me with 10k miles sold this month on CL for $3,500! Is the Vrod a better bike than the SR400 - oh HELL yes! In every way possible except for novelty appeal. Yet both can be had for the same price. Why? Because some people prefer a little retro single to a 120hp beast.
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    Ok, back on topic.

    Of the two machines mentioned by the OP, condition, mileage, and price being equal, I'd recommend the Road Star over the Aero simply for it's larger, torquier engine that would suit two-up riding better.
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  16. Dr. Breedlove

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    An eye-of-the-beholder situation. I'm as guilty as the next person. I have a '54 Velocette and an '06 ZX-14. If I had to choose between the two, the ZX would go. But - is the ZX-14 a better bike than the Velocette. Oh man.... is it ever.
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    I was only able to get $4300 for my 2015 SR400 with 4700 miles on it. I bought it new in August 2016. They are a bitch to sell, especially when you live far from a large urban area. Mine was finally purchased buy a person 400 miles away.

    Having owned a 2003 V-Rod for several seasons, I can point to several areas where the V-Rod is not superior to the little SR400, none of which matter much in the 'real world' however.

    A V-Rod will quickly be in the ditch if it tries to match an SR400 in tight curves. It's power is overwhelming, but not until the road straightens out a bit.

    The SR400 is (not surprisingly) dirt cheap to run and own, even if it costs too much to initially buy. Insurance and maintenance costs are next to nothing for this model.

    And! It's fun to ride. If I wasn't such a lard-ass, I probably would have kept my SR, but to get decent performance out of one, it helps a lot to be a 160lb teenager...something I quit being over five decades ago.
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    I had a white 2007 ZX14. I really miss it, and will almost certainly by a used 2nd gen ZX14 in the not too distant future. A local guy I know pretty well currently has a green 2012 14R for sale, has under 2000 miles on it and wants $8500 for it. I just won't be ready to buy again till next spring, otherwise it'd be in the garage now. I'd also consider another Hayabusa, we've owned two of them in the past, a 2000 and a 2008.

    No Velocette yet though.
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  19. Dr. Breedlove

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    Damn... how many bikes have you owned??
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    Between 55-59....not counting the 25 my wife has owned at one time or another.

    Just in the last year, I've bought four and sold two.

    My wife has bought two, and is now trying to sell one of those, her Harley Softail Deluxe, which her BMW 1200 has replaced.....she doesn't like to own more than one bike at a time, I'm the opposite.

    Motorcycles are my one serious vice in life, but I at least get some use out of them..... while I have them, that is.
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