The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Dear rally friends and fans of Egypt,

    Egypt, a majestic country and an ancient civilization, has been experiencing a deep transformation of its political and social life over the last three years.
    No major change is painless and Egypt’s past few weeks of intense events are no different.

    However, everything today suggests that the worst is over and that stability and modernity will soon be the future values of this strong Country.
    For over 30 years Egypt’s magical desert has been the homeland of the Pharaons Rally, the prestigious race of the Cross Country Rally World Cup and Championship.

    To organize and participate in this international event is an adventure that we have always cherished and enjoyed sharing with all the racers and their teams. Above all, we have always ensured that it is carried out with the utmost professionalism and with immense passion.

    Today, we still solidly have the support of our business partners, of the local and military authorities and of the international federations, to proceed with organizing the rally as scheduled this coming October. And indeed, all signs reflect that Egypt could be ready to offer a safe setting to hold an exciting race for all international teams.


    However, we also understand the concerns that participants and their families have, and we wish to respect and give priority to that admissible concern.
    With this in mind and after consultation with the Egyptian Authorities and the International Federations (FIM and FIA) we decided to postpone the 2013 edition of the Pharaons Rally to May 2014.

    This is a difficult decision due to circumstances beyond our control, but with your support and trust we can continue to share our passion in the best conditions.

    We sincerely thank the Egyptian Ministry of Tourism, the International Federations (FIM and FIA) and the competitors who have given us their support, understanding, approval and enthusiasm for the new date.

    The Pharaons Rally lives on thanks to all of you.
  2. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Rick Hatswell Dakar 2010 video...


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  3. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Wasnt this when KTM and Honda were going to show us their new bikes?

  4. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Yes. :cry
  5. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon not amused

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    Egads, man, you must have one of those jack-into-the-matrix ports at the base of your skull!

    I lost my keys in my yard somewhere, so if you get time would you use google earth and find them for me?
  6. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    We'll just have to wait until the 15th Oct and Morocco ?
  7. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    You didnt just look up the BLM road number on the post on the opening :evil
  8. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Ok, you got me. Google for that road number and "Dune" and you get a BLM map of that dune area. But that was after I already spent 10 minutes looking at the mountains in the vid and GE and figured it must be that place. Searching the road number confirmed it. Hey, that's not far off from the way I mapped the Dakar stages a couple of years ago. Google search is your friend, and lots of work on Google Earth seals the deal! Taking it as a challenge to find this stuff makes it fun!
  9. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    First pics of the new KTM bike? Special thanks to a very perceptive individual in the know for picking up on the right hand exhaust exit on an otherwise very similar bike to the current model. This individual shall remain nameless unless he or she wants to speak up.

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  10. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Comparison. Very hard to tell as the photo is terrible and it looks like the frame is either black or dark grey making detail very scant.

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  11. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Just some translated comments from where the photos come...

  12. wingnut11

    wingnut11 generally strange

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    Anyone else notice one bike with left side exhaust, the other on the right? I also noticed that the bike with right side exhaust also has a logo on the bike side of the muffler. So it looks like there are still a few minor things to work out.
  13. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    May be it's only an engine test ? For that they had only to change the exhaust side from left to right. Can't see, if it's a trellis frame again.
    Perhaps frame and bodywork will be tested later and it's not finished yet.
    Front tanks and rear tank seams the same like the old model.
    Strange, that the KTM guys put no cover over the "new bike ".
    What i know is, that they will have a rally bike with fuel injection for sure.
    May be the spy has other pictures for us ? :clap:rofl:eek1
  14. wingnut11

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    If you look at the picture where it's being washed without a gas tank it sure looks like a trellis frame. But I can't see the frame well enough to have any idea how much different it may be. I'm glad the manufacturers are going to efi, I kind of think it's long overdue. Any other spy shots are always appreciated, I'd love to see more details and see if we can figure out how much different the new bike is.
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    italrally Been here awhile

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    Yes, sorry, looking with a better monitor now i can see the trellis frame.
    Also the long air filter, like the rally bikes had before seems the same.

    Hopefully the spy photographer can send us as soon as possible more pictures so that we can work out and discuss here the differences between the old and the new KTM Rally 450 RR :clap
  16. tehdutchie

    tehdutchie Long timer

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    More evolution then revolution?
  17. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Encouragement award recipient. tEAM iDIOT.

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    Possibly an "old" 450rr to use as a comparison?
  18. JayBo1

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    I've avoided weighing into this discussion about the new KTM Rally bike, because I'm obviously a bit one-eyed to Orange. But ... the driver for an update to the 450RFR has to be about "apparent" weight and nimbleness, not "actual" weight. My 530EXC with Mecasystem kit weighs 146kg dry. My 450RFR weighs 136kg dry. My 530 "feels" lighter and is definitely infinitely more nimble. So a 450RFR with slightly different frame and steering geometry and a shorter swingarm, will reduce stability and increase nimbleness. FI just brings it up a notch for the huge elevation changes in the El Dakaro of recent years.

    That's pretty much all it needs to continue to thrash the opposition for several more years:lol3. The engine is already well proven and has had a few tweaks over the years, mainly in the gearbox area, so just the FI is all it needs. I'd think closing the geometry gap to about halfway between the existing 450RFR and the 450EXC would be about spot on:deal.
  19. greglewis

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    Would someone enlighten me as to the weight of the current KTM Dakar bikes? How about the old 990 Dakar bikes?

    Thanks
  20. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

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    Good comments!

    I'm of the opinion that the stability of the current bike is often an advantage, the Dakar is rarely about tight and technical. I think the on paper advantage of the 'lighter' mx based machines from other manufacturers doesn't necessarily translate to distance made good in Dakar, and the results would seem to bear that out.