The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    Now the Maroc is over, is it too early to start speculating and running a Dakar book?!

    My guess is we'll see three different bikes on the Dakar podium this year, and my guess is:

    #1 KTM - Coma - the combo of his experience/alien status, and the team structure behind him - plus he really has something to prove after missing out last year...

    #2 Honda - rider TBC - I'd love it to be Helder, but I feel one of the Speedbrain riders will have more luck... the Honda 'machine' will make sure their bikes riders are always at the front, but ultimately I think Coma/KTM will nail the strategy game...

    #3 Yamaha - Despres - Cyril will have something to prove, and I think he'll get at least one stage win just to rub it in - however, I feel there will be the odd occasion where things just don't go right for him, and the other teams/riders will take advantage of that - he will hang on in there, but I fear the Yamaha France team structure isn't going to be enough compared to the win-at-all-costs approach of KTM and Honda?

    These are just my random thoughts...

    Jx
  2. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome... tEAM iDIOT.

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    I'm just wondering about the future.

    Honda are clearly throwing a lot at Dakar trying to knock KTM of the throne, and I believe they will do it eventually, but will they stick around after they do?

    Does anyone know how long there riders are contracted for?
  3. Aussie66

    Aussie66 Been here awhile

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    You , my mum always thought i had a strange sense of humor in the sandbox. You rode in the sand lately :):evil
  4. auguzt

    auguzt get on with it

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    Has Michael Metge (Yamaha France second rider and CdP water carrier) showed up in some rally lately as you know? Just curious...
  5. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Yamaha. Pain looks to be running the same old. Anyone got spy pics of Cyril's new ride?

    Looks like he's gonna race Dakar with an unproven bike, since Maroc was the last along with Merzouga. :dunno
  6. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    I've hadn't heard that Yammy France were developing? I want under them impression CDP and team mates were going to be riding JVO kitted Bikes again...
  7. rallye

    rallye Been here awhile

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    Whats happened to Olivier Pain and Frans Verhoeven ,last year they were right up there ,but seems pretty ordinary results this year? Maybe just the new Honda team has lodged themselves in the top 6-7 places and pushed all the other "fast guys" down the ladder a bit !
  8. Happe

    Happe Offroad Nut

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    CDP was running the Desafio Incas in Peru
    On day 3 he dropped of the chart though ... don't know what happened

    this is from the Desafio Website
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    Edit: Found this on CDPs Facebook page
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    Stefan
  9. tehdutchie

    tehdutchie Long timer

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    Verhoeven had the flu during the Oilybia Rallye in Morocoo. Apparently he was over it this morning and leading the warm up lap in the Merzouga Rallye.
  10. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    after that break down I would have thought he would have been a late entry to at least one of the two rally's this week and last...
  11. charapa

    charapa Been here awhile

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    Yes, CDP didn't even stick around for day 3... at least we saw no sign of him in the bivouac, in the hotel, or the at the awards! Could be he was just in a funk in his room, but my guess is that he booked it back to France!

    So much for supporting the team! :huh CDP likes the team to support him! :wink:
  12. ktmmitch

    ktmmitch Been here awhile

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    Whilst Martin at Torque Racing was helping build the first of our 690 Fork Extension Kits from Tractive Suspension, I had the chance to see a KTM 450RR that was part-way through a full rebuild by Martin.
    This bike is owned by Clayton Jameson, a long-term customer of Torque Racing, who has entered this yearÂ’s Dakar 2014 in South America.The bike has is in for a full overhaul, the frame has been powder-coated, and a new engine fitted in readiness for the big race.
    Seeing it stripped has given us a few more ideas on parts for the 690 Enduro that may help our customers.


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  13. silentwolf

    silentwolf Been here awhile

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    Can't recall now, but I wonder if this was at all similar to the issues that Jonah had last time out. He was running a modified YZ as well wasn't he..? :patch


    I know there's almost 30lbs weight difference between the WR and YZ, but by the time you add/subtract the things one would need for dakar, I can't see that the difference would be that big. The thing that worries me is that the YZ is designed for short course competition. Unless they were willing to take the penalties or find a way around 'engine-swap-gate,' I would be seriously concerned about 14 days in the desert...

    Dunno... The WR still has the old bulletproof motor design. Wonder how many will use the WR platform this year. :scratch
  14. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I think that's right - the rally kits are from JVO, but that the engine/chassis/suspension is all going to be fettled by Yamaha France I imagine?

    That said, looking at the photo of Cyril's bike from Desafio Inca (above), the front tank/fairing set-up does look different again to the usual JVO YZF kit that Olivier Pain was using/developing - so I guess the 'development' of this latest bike is a two-way street between JVO and Yamaha France?

    ps. Looking at the photo above, Cyril's bike/tank set-up seems to be more like the bike Helder was riding in the early part of last year:

    [​IMG]

    Rather than the 'regular' JVO kit of Olivier Pain:

    [​IMG]

    Still, we have less than a month before the 2014 bikes need to ship from Le Havre - I hope we'll get a sneak peek then at least!

    Jx
  15. schattat

    schattat Long timer

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    In fact, none of the Yamaha pros are running the JVO kits. Instead they're running the identical Setup as shown on Cyrils pic from Desafio!

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  16. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    Ah... then at least I hope they paid Jorge for the front fairing parts!

    Jx
  17. schattat

    schattat Long timer

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    Good catch, oversaw that!
  18. Pete640

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    WR piston and gearbox will slide straight into the YZ motor. The 3rd ring makes a big difference to oil usage
    With a rallye exh there is a heap of land avail for a 2nd fuel tank if your thinking cog and centralisation.
    The YZ based bike is better than the WR hands down and if I were riding D I'd want to shave every last lb/kg from the bike that I could
  19. schattat

    schattat Long timer

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    They do in fact run the 1st-3rd WR gears and leave 4th and 5th as standard YZ ones (in the past during the WR years, they had a frankenstein mixed gearbox combo with parts from various WRs and YZs) Piston is also standard and is only changed once during rest day in Dakar. The final gearing is 15/47 which allows a max speed of around 170km/h. Apart from that the bike is bulletproof and will run several thousand k's without having even been opened!
  20. Safariaddict

    Safariaddict Safari 2010 FINISHED

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    So are Yamaha France using the 2013 yz frame and engine setup or are they using the new yz 2014 model as the basis for the rallye bike at Dakar.