The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. Carlos M

    Carlos M www.motoxplorers.com

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    Thanks for editing my Brodomath. I couldn't find "CP by Stagehours" on Mischa's, nor actual DSS hours. I guess I am rusty :D

    Does the new DSS hour affects the CutOFF at CP2 estimation?

    Boy, we sure are beating a dead horse, are we not? :dhorse
  2. auguzt

    auguzt get on with it

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    Yeah! I love this off-season-gate reporting...:evil

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    This winter really needs to end so we can all go riding.

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  5. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Mike Johsnon has a story for the ages about that day.. truly a epic tale ... it includes bad bearings, wire, canyons and water crossings and a flashlight along with some locals thrown in..

    All I can say is Im glad that I did not call 2014 the year I raced Dakar. Being there I witnessed the carnage and anguish in all classes and camps and have to give it to the finishers, they were lucky men and all kicked its ass !

    Its Dakar ! :deal
  6. Balkan Boy

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    Aren't you going to tell us some of those stories? :ear
    Or, are you writing a book?
  7. too old

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    Back to basics - the competition :evil
    4 weeks until a live event, no mountains or freezing temps, plenty of sand and heat :clap:clap

    Could this be the first and last time we see this bike in it's original guise :lol3:lol3

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  8. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    just... :dhorse a... :dhorse bit... :dhorse more... :evil ... I think I saw it twitch! :lol3 :deal

    No the theoretical "cut off" at CP2 remains the same at 15:49 pm... I had accounted for the delayed start in my original calculation on post # 3907 :deal http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23618521&postcount=3907

    So according to the time stamps on mischa's tracking site for CP2 of SS3 (Canyongate) there were seven riders who passed that CP2 after the 15.49 pm cut-off time and went on to the San Juan bivouac via the "course"... the last of them being Mike Johnson at 18:17 pm.

    The only consistency seems to be the lack of any. :rofl
  9. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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  10. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    And young Mr "Balise" has studied up on the control zone/timing flag protocols I assume...? :wink: :augie
  11. Gian

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    If you mean that one in particular, as far as I've heard, it's already no more, along the other 3 survived to the Dakar :evil
  12. Carlos M

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    What's the story Gian? :ear

    The man himself says he's going to use it:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>My bike for Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge 2014 <a href="http://t.co/y0fxm4eay1">pic.twitter.com/y0fxm4eay1</a></p>&mdash; JOAN BARREDA (@joanbangbang88) <a href="https://twitter.com/joanbangbang88/statuses/441132501038157824">March 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    OTOH he also said
    Big news coming soon
  13. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    It would'nt surprise me if HRC have put BamBam's ex-(this year) Dakar bike through the crusher... after the flogging it copped in January, it'd probbably be difficult to distinguish the "before" and "after" photo anyway...? :rofl

    Not at all surprising if Barreda is at the UAE DC with a brand new scooter, HRC are probably turning them out of the cookie cutter at a great rate of knots just now. same goes for the KTM factory guys for that matter... hardly expect that they will front there on bikes that did the '14 Dakar? :ear
  14. Bluebull2007

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    Beating a dead horse ja, but what else were we going to do. We did not discuss it to its utter conclusion like we have all the other "gates" :D Now we can and we will because its still 46 weeks to the Dakar.

    So let me get this right: The guy directing people into the canyon was most probably the official at CP2? Lets face it, CP2 was still pretty high and maybe he was trying to be a good samaritan after all.

    Here is how I see it:

    He is told that after a certain cutoff time he should stop guys from continuing on the route for safety reasons. A small crowd of very angry and frustrated rider encroach on him sitting in the open door of his land cruiser. "You have to let us go on, we have paid thousands of dollars for this! We have rights! The sun is still high in the sky! You are being unreasonable and unfair". He feels like a real ass sticking to his guns, and he can hear the guys swearing at him to each other. Some riders are crying. Their rally dreams are over. All because of his instructions.

    Then he thinks twice. Maybe he can save the day after all, and somehow let the guys continue without them going up the mountain. This way he will become their friend again, and, even better: He would have honored the instructions from his boss not to let people continue on the official route. Yeah, he thinks to himself, there is no rule saying the guys can ride somewhere else.

    So he consults his little map showing the general course route with key safety info and GPS positions of some key spots as well (that get issued to officials each day). The official draws the conclusion that maybe the guys can "shortcut" the mountain by going in a certain direction, thereby staying in the race, but picking up penalties for missed WPM's. He suggests this to one of the blokes waiting at the CP to try go off that way, down that broad valley (valleys always look broad from the top). All they have to do is keep right and they will get back to the official route. "Just stay right and you should be fine..."

    Delighted and tired of waiting, the pilot tells his buddies, "hey lets go! We have a new way out of here" The guys all follow his directions only to find that its a dead end, and no way to return up the way they came. They get very pissed off, and the lead pilot later joins them blaming the official for directing them to their demise. There was no way the official knew that the canyon was in fact impassable and a trap, but he genuinely thought it would be a good idea and it "looked okay" from where he was.

    Meanwhile, our heroes Yannick and Mike (I will assume he was with Yannick until wrk2srf tells us the real story) have been napping. They're too tired to start arguing with officials. They awake to the sounds of people riding off, but they are delayed. They get their things together and off they go, past the arm waving official before he can get out of his car again to show them the "new way". The arm waving official considers informing race PC what is happening but due to his own guilt in letting the others sneak off as well he decides not to. Instead he starts to really worry about his own culpability if anything bad should happen to the two riders. This cements his decision. No way is he going to mention what just happened to anyone!

    And that is - as they say - how canyongate happens, and how our heroes made it to the bivouac! :deal :lol3 :clap
  15. Carlos M

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl "Canyongate, the ultimate thruth", by Neil BlueBull. Even if it were all speculation, I would buy your book in a hartbeat! :D
  16. troy safari carpente

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    Bluebull... you can get all of that just from one second hand rider account, reported days after the fact - who was reputedly quoted as saying; "There was a guy in a 4WD with a white ASO T-shirt, who pointed us the wrong way..." :huh

    :rofl:rofl here's your new t-shirt; :deal

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  17. Gian

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    It's an old story since from the old dakar times... how many NXR survived? Only 2 from the last series, none of the first ones (and we are talking about 3 winning bikes!) . Absurd but so it went and apparently still goes:cry
  18. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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  19. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    It's true... same with a lot of the other old "factory exotica", like the Lucky Strike Cagiva's, Gilera RC600's, Suzuki BIG's etc. After their lifespan is over, the factories dimantle/crush much of the surplus unobtanium.

    On occassion, during various visits to Marocco/Mauritania, Senegal etc., while passing through townships/villages etc. I've caught glimpse of various bikes here and there, with "Dakar" tanks or sideplates or various paraphenalia. Stuff which I (assume?) has been "recovered" from abandonned bikes/vehicles etc. left out on the piste, and retrieved by the nomad folk... :evil

    I once saw a moped (Puch Dakota or similar) belting through a backstreet of Ouzazarte, with an old metal (and dinted) DR650 Dakar tank hap hazzardly fitted to it (where the step through foot well is normally) - complete with the old TSO and Total Paris- Dakar sponsor sticker and logo's on it. :lol3

    It's fun to witness how much of the "old" Dakar parephenalia is still floating about down there... now going on soon eight years since the event last touched african soil... :cry
  20. troy safari carpente

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    That particular bike never saw duty on a Dakar (Honda never raced the XR 600 at factory level on the Dakar) but a couple of old mates of mine sure used them to good effect down under for a lot of years. :D:clap