The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. onebadhp2

    onebadhp2 Been here awhile

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    Having 450s next year will provide many more options for these guys...I hope we get more American riders...How about Johnny Campbell's baja team coming over?
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  2. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    No more BMW G 450 X next year ( project end 2010 ). May be they work together with Husqvarna, it is announced for the enduro WM 2010.
    BMW - Husqvarna Motorsport Team.

    Frans Verhoeven crashed 3 engines this year, the BMW engine is not made for long distance rallys !!!
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  3. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    not so in 2009 Dakar all 3 BMW 450's lasted well with no mechanical failure, 1 as unspported marathon class, also this year others made it with no issues, Franz's bike was not the only G450X here

    to me is seems a package with a lot of potential, it looks a very light and agile rallye bike
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  4. Nicolasleon

    Nicolasleon Gnarly F5er

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    I've heard the rummor that BMW is after both Coma and Despres. It 'll be interesting to see them partners after this year's encounters!
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  5. Jeff@TheQuadShop

    Jeff@TheQuadShop TAT survivor

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    Not true, only one engine failed.

    Engine 1 was replaced due to the pivot bolt seized.
    Engine 2 was replaced on rest day just to be on the safe side.
    Engine 3 was the one that blew.
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  6. dentvet

    dentvet Long timer

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    In previous editions, did any of the top riders use the rfs ktm platform or is/was it only a budget/privateer solution? how about this year, were any of the ktms entered 450s?

    It was brought up in the dakar thread that the drz would make a great econo-entry. It seems that the rfs is already a proven dakar entity and cheap to boot, these days.
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  7. Aussie66

    Aussie66 Been here awhile

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    To continue the speculation side.

    Cyril and Marc both have enormous value for KTM , both in the Dakar and Rally series and Cyril also in the extreme enduro side. I would guess that Cyril would have a higher marketing value due to exposure in the extreme side and Marc a high value in the "not to under estimate Spanish motorbike minded market".

    For next years Dakar, anything less than a win for KTM (with 450's) would be a failure, to ensure the win you need the worlds best riders. So they will want to hold on to them both.

    I guess the only companies which can pose a potential threat are :

    BMW has a desire to get into other markets than their current adventure riding big bikes. Hence the 450X development and the Husqvarna takeover. With the shelving of the 450X project, the enduro emphasis on Husqvarna a speculative possibilty could be a Husqvarna rally project. Imagine Cyril on a Husky on the extreme enduro's (good PR), a fully backed rally team. It just might bring Husky back into the scene full on. Mind you it would only be worth the investment because of the current small market share which could be grown like KTM.

    Sherco ? I am not sure how much coin they can put into the project, still early days I guess.

    Husaberg : Part of KTM.

    Gas Gas : Not to be under estimated, Spanish backing could be enormous, Repsol, Coma, who nows.

    Aprillia : Competetive package, proven, racing background, a bike which has been developed , not a huge success in the enduro scene but huge potential as a rally platform.

    I hope I am wrong but I dont see the Japanese getting into the rally scene with factory backing. Yamaha Motor France has a racing division, as does Kawasaki in France. Of the two only Yamaha has put semi serious efforts into the Dakar in recent years, but once again they are not hugely interested in the enduro scene or rally raid FIM series.

    Speculation all around, will keep my ears open at this years DC in Abu Dhabi.
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  8. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    If they were riding a KTM machine, pretty much all of the top riders were on 690's, not RFS platforms. Same goes for last year although the 660 Rallye was much more prevalent last year than it was this year.
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  9. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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  10. stk0308

    stk0308 Long timer

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    This is news too me. What project? The racing of, or the G450X model itself? And can you site your source of either?
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  11. Trang

    Trang ... 2nd last to the Sweep

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    I'm confused? :scratch

    Is it correct to presume that:
    - Dakar is not part of the FIM Cross Country Rally championship
    - Dakar requires a less than 450cc machine
    - There are no engine restrictions at other Rallies?

    So therefore, are we presuming that KTM are expected to design/produce a 450cc Rally Bike, for ONE event only, that (although the most prominant) is not part of the Championship?

    Why would they want to do that?
    And if so, why not just bolt on a 450cc Barrel/Piston onto the 690 architecture?

    It would make sense that they would continue running the 690's in the other events? :dunno

    :ear
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  12. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    If anyone in a marketing department cares about those other events. :dunno
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  13. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    can I pop up my tent here for a while PM ?? :freaky
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  14. klr650gary

    klr650gary CBD Adventurer

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    I'm more than happy just lurking at the edge, but, can I throw a question in please?

    There is probably an easy answer (hopefully not covered before), anyone got any thoughts on the merits of a KLX 450 as a Rallye bike or why no one has?
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  15. MEGO

    MEGO Africa Racer

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    It's not true! Last Year Pellicer win Africa Race (7000 km.) with BMW 450...
    without any problem.
    He was very happy about the bike which got max speed near 165 kmh...:eek1
    (Pellicer directly told me this)
    It was an amazing bike with a very good weight distribution.
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  16. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    From Africa Race 2009:

    During the last briefing which took place last night in the bivouac located in the mouth of the Senegal river mouth, René Metge insisted on the fact that every competitors had to be very careful until they reached the entry of the parc fermé at the hotel Mériden Président of Dakar. He was heard since the Africa Race finished without almost any problem. Indeed, the leader of the bike category José Manuel Pellicer broke down at km 79 in the liaison leading to the final podium. He was luckily driving with both Italian riders Michele Galizia and Carlo Alberto Miglizza who towed him to the finish line.



    :brow No problems eh? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
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  17. MEGO

    MEGO Africa Racer

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    Yeah! You're right!
    But it was an electrical fault, just 1 km, behind the Podium...
    I arrived there in the meantime than Pepe, his mec, was working on the bike. I told him "keep my arm", on the other side Michele push on the silencer and so we all arrived at the podium.
    I mean if he would, he could search and find the problem, surely.

    Anycase, amazing bike, believe me.
    Last 20 km of the first stage I was at Suz max speed...125kmh.:huh
    He told me 160kmh...:eek1

    (Helsingor-Helsingborg...I do this ferry in 1986 in a trip to Andesrtorp - Stockolm...with my blue Yam Teneré - I was a Dakar fan...)
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  18. Beez

    Beez Given to fly

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    1) KLX450 is based on the KX450, an MX bike with small oil capacity and designed for sprint races and frequent maintenance. Not the best platform for an long distance endurance race (not saying it is not possible though).

    2) Since over half the field is on KTMs it makes a lot of sense to be on the same bike. If you have to borrow/buy a spare part you increase your chances of someone else having what you need. Also KTM has a truck in the rally you can buy spares off of.

    Edit: Just noticed your screename, KLRs have been past rallys. :deal
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  19. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I totally agree, except that the Dakar is all about publicity - to a far wider audience than any other bike sport (except perhaps MotoGP now, with Rossi as posterboy)...

    I can't see a sleeved down 690R platform working - not against privateers on 'restricted' 690s - you saw what happened this year, the restricted bikes still had the march on the 450s - and those weren't saddled with the extra weight a 690R chassis would have?

    I'm very interested to see if KTM can get a factory 450cc machine out there in time for next year's Dakar... (still, they'll have a few weeks longer developement time if it's only got to be shipped to Africa eh? x)

    Jenny xx
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  20. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I apologize, that was me I fear...

    I do think the DRZ engine is a strong contender, particularly in the Marathon class - and for a privateer on a budget, the weight of the chassis is not going to be as vitally important compared to the reliability...

    And I agree with you the RFS engined KTMs are probably the more 'enthusiastic' choice, and like you say, plenty of those around these days, even if they would ideally be freshened up with a new barrel and piston for example?

    Personally I'd like to see the new Suzuki RMX450 with a rally kit fitted - yes it is a young machine, but I understand that the service schedule does not require a piston change in the same way as virtually every other enduro engine used in competition is required? With any luck, this powerplant should offer good power AND reliability... it already has decent suspension - all you'd need is a fairing and tank kit...

    Hmmmmm...

    Jenny xx
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