The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Hmm, looks rather tall and skinny. Could be the perspective though. I will say that some of the suspension mounting points look a little fragile. I would expect a little beefing up prior to January.
  2. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    Would it be expected, that they would have made a vehicle to test geometry before beefing?
  3. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Well after all the Peugeot rumours during Dakar '14... the paparazzi visit by Super Seb, all of the speculation abou what they would develop? 2WD or FOUR... and all of the cloak and dagger of the Red Bull realease in Beijing, the announcement of El Matador and Le Mudboi as drivers... the defection of Perfecthansel from ¨X¨Raid, Cyril & Stephane's billy cart derb debut... and now; :deal

    THE DRK PUG working test prototype turns a wheel for the PR cameras! :eek1:evil:clap

    Hmmmm...? A 2WD rear wheel drive, with double wishbone/coil over independant suspension on all corners, big 37" tires with on the fly auto inflate, a 3.2 liter V6 twin tubo diesel motor (mid/rear mounted) with 6 speed sequential gearbox, carbon fiber monocoque chassis featuring ground clearance, approach and departure angles like that of a rock crawler... and it weighs in at @ 1300 kg's?

    Is this some weird ultimate alternative experiment by the Frenchies... or a cutting edge design for the future, featuring the best of both worlds...?

    The V6 diesel engine should rev freely, yet still give great torque (twin turbo) over a broad range and economy. 6 speed sequential transmission to keep the pot stirring (low/low first for the crap stuff and a close ratio 2nd thru 5th perhaps?).

    I agree with Doyle that the suspension arms look "spindly"... (as compared to other similar state of art designs :huh ). Is this some new "unobtanium" material... or just a testbed design as Beechum suggests it could be...? :ear

    But regarding the suspension... it looks like the new "PUG" sits very high; in terms of static sag? Conventional off road racing "Buggy" designs like most US SCORE/Baja Class 1's or the SMG Dakar 2WD's run considerably more sag/squat than what this new Peugeot appears when stationary?

    In the pictures it appears to sit veru "tall" (nowhere near the wheel drop of say RG Gordini's new lil'Hummer). Sure it gives great ground clearance... but from the photo's and breif video, it looks very "tippy toe" to drive... and if I am not mistaken... they park it on it's ear in the final sequence (off camera :evil). I wonder if Cyril was driving (again? :rofl)

    Other first impressions... It is "BIG"... but it's small (ie. it uses an optimal amount of the space to house all of the componentry). A few things I wonder is;

    Where is the room for ONE spare (much less two ore three?) of those huge Michelin 37" tires inside the body work...? In the rear (looks tight). Under the front hood (hard to access up high like, and not - a lot - of space.

    Another thing; does the 1300 kg include ALL the mandatory gear (air jack system? sand mats and recover gear etc.). At the moment the "lights" on this test mule are just decals... :wink:

    I looks like and awesome first working prototype/test rig... I'm sure ther is heaps of development/testing to come... the frogs are not here to muck about - the stakes just got raised a notch or two! :clap
  4. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Well here's RG's firt impression (based on the video and photo's) over at raceDezert.com :deal

    Not with this package they they won't, they have a lot of design problems I see, it's going to be a long summer for them, I know they have the budget but experience is important and whoever designed this car doesn't have off road experience, it's going to be a handful to drive. Looks like another f1 designer did it :D

    Below is a video link from our testing , we are working hard and smart this year.


    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7ad5dsbcdci36to/AAClckKiFI-VQ5QhhTOy_2Cpa
  5. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    I get the feeling that Dakar auto fight this year is gonna' be....





    wait for it...




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    Epic awesomeness- ness...
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    Balkan Boy Long timer

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  7. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    Only 1300kg for the Peugeot is :eek1:eek1:eek1

    even a Polaris SXS/UTV in Dakar trim is 1000kg give or take a bit


    the other SXS/UTV analogy is the stance...................tall, narrow, long travel, high ride height...............that's a recipe for turning turtle that gets repeated ervery day in redneck UTV world :nod

    But I'm sure Carlos and Peter know how to drive around that characteristic



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  8. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Yeah... they hand it to "lab rabbit" Cyril to test drive first... :rofl:rofl:rofl
  9. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    Can we pin this one to the wall somewhere and revisit it after January 2015 when RG finishes behind the Peugeot? That would be classic. Cause, you know, Minis are for girls and all that crap. :deal
  10. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    :nod Earmarked and catalogued in the library trophy shelf... :evil

    ... yep, right up there alongside other "Grandios statement" Awards and the various "Humble Pie Eating Competition" Blue Ribbons, from the kind folk at Dakar Inc. :rofl
  11. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon not amused

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  12. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Seem's like his 2nd year in with the lil' Hummer, and RG has a methodical approach - and above all - time - to test/ R&D his new car...

    2015 could be the one man band of team SPEED Gordini vs the Army of X-Raid drones from MINI vs the neveau French PUGS on the block and the Seth Efrikaan TOYOTAS. :lurk
  13. Bill the Bong

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    :photogHey, I'm watching you.
  14. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    I like the guy for his tenacity, but..... I wondered while watching the clip, if this revolutionary methodical approach was something he just learned.
  15. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Is the bugly in it again this year?
  16. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    mate... they're ALL building "Buglies" now it seems (2WD is the new black? :huh).

    There's the new Black Bull PUGLY, the tried and true Red Blue SMuGlies, the Frenchy Vigoreax/Baldwin Truglies and now rumour has it, that even Chicherit is working on a new back wheel drive... after retiring from making MINI pancakes. :eek1

    Seem's they're all gettin' in on RG's game... Now I know what his plan is! :evil Gonna' get everyone to go "2wd drive"... then he will turn up with a kick ass Pro-Four set-up and pull the carpet out from under the entire bivouac...! :rofl
  17. 640 Armageddon

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    I still wonder about Peugeot's return and the way the sport is going.
    From my understanding too, spare wheels are missing and unless there is a kind of a new tech in the tires, I can't see them charging for a good place without spares on the car. Well, may be there is a French guy with a moustache there, leaving wheels in the desert for them, but what the heck... :huh


    Too tall and too narrow will result in a tumbledryer in my opinion. EDIT: Imagine going at full speed and try to avoid something.... Even in the video it seems unstable :eek1

    I think that companies that return, much like the red people out there, have the confidence of the past. Two sides of the same coin... :deal
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    640 Armageddon Xplorer

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    And some more from CP,

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    Stagehand Imperfectionist

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    Is that a shag suede steering wheel cover? Man all it needs is some carbon fiber fuzzy dice o nthe rear view!
  20. PeteN95

    PeteN95 Long timer

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    +1 and if this is the video, it looks like it is tipping over in the last frames?!

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