The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I agree, it looks very tippy-toes in that video...

    I know that active/adjustable damping is not allowed in the car regs, but is there anything to stop them having some kind of air or hydraulic ride-height adjustment on the fly? - even something like hydraulically actuated pivoting shock top mounts for example (so that the shock/damper itself is unaffected)...

    It would be cool if you could drop it down a good few inches for the higher speed and twisty stuff, then jack it up for the rougher ground and jumps for example?

    Jx
  2. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    In the most recent draft of the FIA T1 tech reg's, all "on the fly" active suspension adjustment (damping, preload/spring and anti-roll/swaybar) is prohibited. The regulation even goes so far as to say that "adjustment is only permitted/possible via use of tools when vehicle is stationary".

    Futher; the "fixed points" of the shock absorber mounts (on the chassis) are determined as part of the process of measuring the suspension travel... so creating some kind of "dynamic" shock/a-arm pivot points, to allow them to "jack up" or lower the suspension ride height would also seem out of the question (but hey... there's always time to write a loophole :evil pour le francias edition).

    I think the "Phroggies" have just got some real suspension/geometry "set up" to work through in the coming weeks/months... and maybe put those spindly (A) arms on some steroids... they look like Adam Cianciarulo's... :rofl
  3. beechum1

    beechum1 Grimace Soup

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    Hand tools, operated by hand? I see a spare tire feeding a hydraulic air ratchet on the comp/rebound in my future if not....
  4. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    You can read "loopholes" into the rulebook everywhere if you're an amateur lawyer - come - engineer type, thinking up clever ways to "optimise" or interpret the tech reg's beechum :wink:

    But the FIA have this neat little clause that supercedes just about everything else in the tech reg book wich goes something like; "Unless specifically permitted by these regulations... all other modification are expresslessly forbidden".

    Which is basically the whole problem with the RG's "red neck supercharger/manifold vacuum tyre de-flater" thing, from back in 2012 - in a nutshell. ... It wasn't so much that it gave the Hummer team an advantage of any kind (which Robby proved by so dramatically pulling the hose off for the cameras). It is just that according to the rulebook, it was not authorized to have any air admittance/coupling - downstream of the air restrictor. Their design did (even though it only used vacuum to assist in speeding the deflation cycle of the tyre auto inflation system - NOT admit air to the engine). Someone brought this detail to the FIA tech jury's attention, it was protested and upheld. RG got reamed by the technicality of the rule... not any performance advantage persé.

    And that's the reason why now (lesson learned) Team RG always get everything with their build/design ratified BEFORE they turn up at tech for DAKAR. :wink:

    As opposed to the traditional French factory way of doing things (called the Schlesser configuration) where you go to the FIA before you even start building, with a list of concessions you would like, that get approved (written in the reg's) in advance... and then you build the car your engineers prefered all along, safe in the knowledge it is in accordance to the amended regulations... It saves a lot of drama (if you're a french team of course) :rofl
  5. beechum1

    beechum1 Grimace Soup

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    Well zeen I will 'ave to go h'over zer and get h'all of my 'ow you say "concesiones" hout of zee way.
  6. DruncleWill

    DruncleWill CRASH TESTED

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    And now we have an official name. Well done TSC, well done indeed. :clap
  7. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Suede is great in a racing car where gloves are used and while it's comfortable in a streetcar, we drivers tend to hold the wheel in the same spot and the suede quickly smoothes out and becomes shiny. I used to have one in an old car of mine. A fat suede Momo steering wheel and boy was it nice, but after not too long, it looked worn.
  8. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    US made rally fighters ... sure seem close to the french effort
  9. Sparrowhawk

    Sparrowhawk Long timer

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    "As opposed to the traditional French factory way of doing things (called the Schlesser configuration) where you go to the FIA before you even start building, with a list of concessions you would like, that get approved (written in the reg's) in advance... and then you build the car your engineers prefered all along, safe in the knowledge it is in accordance to the amended regulations... It saves a lot of drama (if you're a french team of course) :rofl "

    And here I thought is was the American way. Only here it's Harley and the AMA. :lol3<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
  10. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Guerlains pancakes :rofl
  11. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    Hi Mike :wave

    In which way, do you mean these are "close" to the French effort? :ear

    The little I have heard about these "rally fighters" comes from a very breif segment I saw on US TOP GEAR, where Tanner Faps took one out for a shake down on some bayou roads and give it a floggin'.

    As I understood, these are a tube chassis with body panels on. They have a Corvette fuel injected V8, auto transmission and torque converter, driving a solid rear axle w/four link (rear 2WD) and the engine up front/pushed back to the firewall...?

    The Phroggies are a monocoque/composite body with integrated tube frame, a 3.0 liter bi-turbo V6, 6 speed sequential manual transmission, four wheel independant coil over/double a-arm suspension (also rear 2WD) and the diesel donk in the middle/back.

    Other than the two wheel dive factor... tjhey're pretty different cattle from what I can determine...

    I think the rally fighter price tage is likely far more palatable for the average punter though? :lol3
  12. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    Sure to give the new Pug, Mini, Hilux and Humvee's a run is the latest all USA 4x4 Dakar team to break cover !!!

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    But I reckon the T1 regs don't allow spares on the roof !??

    Troy ?? maybe another sweetheart done deal with ASO behind closed doors :deal
  13. troy safari carpente

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl

    :gerg Aha... but zis' wheel ess not ON ze roof Messiuer Zafarri... eet is on ze roof RACK... :evil that ze roofRACK is subsequandtly monturd on ze' roof is merely ancilliary circumstance to ze defining text pour la francais, sil vous plais? :lol3
  14. charapa

    charapa Been here awhile

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  15. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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  16. KZJohn

    KZJohn Been here awhile

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    That is not a spare wheel, it is a rubber compressed air tank with an easy grip surface.
  17. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    Now THAT's the kinda' legal chicanery lawyerin' that good ol' TEAM USA needs iffin' it's gonna give this DAKAR caper a shake... :lol3:thumb

    Someone give RG's legal team a call and get that man [KZJ] a cheap suit, a fountain pen and some legal pads.:clap :rofl
  18. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon throttle to the donk

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    Dread Pendragon throttle to the donk

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    From the Cape Times/4-Traders.com:

    "The 2008 DKR can practically climb vertical walls," claims the motorsport team - and we can't wait to see it in action against the Minis and Toyotas.
  20. Gian

    Gian dreamer

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    I'm always astonished in seeing both Ktm and Honda factory bikes still using those old Acerbis handguards, about 20 years old I guess:eek1