The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. neduro

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    +1, I really wish I could have met him last year.

    Why is it that guys like Simon are always doing it out of the back of a truck, despite an amazing following and great story, and others who run further forward but no one has ever heard of have so much support?
  2. Brodovitch

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    I don't think he would have it any other way... wasn't he a fixture of the malle motos (alongside Kemal) for a number of years? Probably what appeals to him the most

    Proper hard man is Mr Pavey :clap
  3. JMo (& piglet)

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    Yup - that looks like a WR450 motor to me... still the most reliable of all the 450s in my opinion - one of the few (only?) motors that can go a whole Dakar without an engine change...

    As for the price of the GasGas though - I can't believe that will be for an Ohlins specced bike - the [similar] JVO kit for a WR450 is €8000+ on it's own, plus the price of the [standard] bike... I think this one was a factory bike dressed up for the photo-shoot?

    Be nice though, I like red... and I intend to have a GasGas Randonne as a trailie trialer just as soon as I can get my hands on one!

    Jx
  4. todd5774

    todd5774 Hillbilly

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    Why not? you can buy a Cervantes replica 450 for £7995 which has ohlins ttx, so for another £8k you Get the rally bits?
  5. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    That is true enough, I'd just be a bit surprised that they wouldn't want to charge at least a small premium for a niche bike like this? (edit. ah, just saw that price was PLUS VAT - there's a 20% 'premium' right there x)

    Regardless - if they can build a run of these for that sort of money, then as has been said above - this really is a fantastic option for the privateer racer - WR450 engine (and thus readily available spares), tasty suspension, and a beautifully designed tank and fairing kit... it certainly makes the KTM Factory 450 look VERY expensive!

    Hell I'm tempted myself!

    Jx
  6. Brodovitch

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    Just spoke to the GG importer here, it comes out to roughly 21000 euros (with 23% VAT inclusive)

    Interesting that there is no extra oil cooler on it, he said that total oil capacity is at 1650ml, GG tweak the WR motor and add a bit of extra oil capacity down near the cases. Unfortunately they don't have a showroom model for me to drool over... all bikes are built to order and ship form Spain :cry
  7. Brodovitch

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    Some technical details of the GG dakar replica / package, as translated from here (it's in Greek)

    Gas Gas 450 Replica

    449 displacement
    5 valves, DOHC
    5 speed gearbox
    Magura hydraulic clutch
    Keihin FCR-MX 39 carb
    Magura Shiver 48mm closed cartridge forks (seems like the Ohlins TTX is for the factory riders, damn)
    Ohlins 888 rear shock
    Galfer 260mm front brake rotor (plus extra 300mm disc with longer caliper bracket), Nissin 2 pot caliper

    20L rear subframe / tank
    6L +6L front tanks
    weight, dry: 123.4kg
    seat height 940mm
    Carbon fibre air box
    skid plate with toolbox + water reservoir
    included: Road book holder (doesn't say which), Gas Gas multi-instrument (I think a Vector) plus 1 ICO computer
    rear cush drive hub



    DAKAR SUPPORT PACKAGE

    1 mechanic per 2 bikes for the whole race
    Team manager for logistics
    T4 truck, that can carry small parts per rider (up to 10kg)
    T5 truck carrying sleeping equipment, 1 large bag per rider (tent), 1 spare engine
    Transport of bikes form Epsilon HQ to Le Havre
    Bike rental option, Gas Gas 450F Rally Raid


    PRICES

    Gas Gas 450F Rally Raid rental option for Dakar 2013 €11000
    Support package €15000
    BIke price (after the rally) €5500
  8. Balkan Boy

    Balkan Boy Long timer

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    Why 5 speed gearbox? :ear

    That's almost as much some people pay for BMW 12GSA.
  9. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    The KTM 450rr is a 5 speed too, I had wondered why they didn't put the 6 speed in it.

    I'm sure they have there reasons, I know Gas Gas has a very good reason.
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    tehdutchie Long timer

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    you can make 1st gear really tall on these kinda bikes, no need for 6 gears.
  11. dashmoto

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    And ultimately, the space inside the cases is the same, so five speeds rather than six is (crudely) an extra 20% on the face width of each gear. As noted, if there's no need for a short 1st, I'd take stronger gears rather than more gears.


    And of course in this case, it's because it's not their engine.
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  13. JMo (& piglet)

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    Thanks for the spec translation Brodovich!

    Some observations from my end...

    The dry weight looks impressively (and exceptionally!) low - JVO list their similar kit fitted to a WR at 135Kg. I don't imagine that posted weight can include any navigation equipment?

    Interesting why they would retrofit a hydraulic clutch when I would have thought the stock cable clutch on the Yamaha would be less susceptible to potential problems (fluid boiling/leaking) - while a cable clutch you can adjust and bodge/repair with a spare cable to get you home?

    Also I noticed with my pedantic hat on - I imagine they are Marzocchi Shiver forks, not Magura...

    However, none of these are criticisms - all in all, that is a pretty good deal for someone wanting a complete 'turn up and ride' package for Dakar?

    Jx
  14. Nitro

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    This bike is good value at that price.

    i really hope they start to sell these bike, and there is more compition. I really like the look of the Husky aswell.


    The KTM 450 RR is great but to import it to South Africa it is 34 000 Euros:cry
  15. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    Not wanting to dig up that old paper vs. digital debate, but...

    As a thought, since the iPad mini was launched this week (not two miles from where I am currently residing!), perhaps now is the time for someone to develop a digital road-book app a la Tripy? - Just imagine that cutie little iPad (which is about the screen size of a paper road-book roller) with a Tripy style road-book, and of course the facility to use it as a turn by turn GPS too, and Google maps... oh, hang on...

    But seriously, I reckon the new iPad mini is the perfect size for a digital map / roadbook device - for recreational use if nothing else?

    Jx
  16. Brodovitch

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    we need to get our heads checked, that's exactly what I thought when I first saw it :lol3
  17. Balkan Boy

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    Actually, it would be (technologically) impossible to keep that size and performance in a real world conditions.
    I dream about such device as a motorcycle dashboard for years.

    Many have discovered that more challenging the task is, more low-tech you need to go.
    Russians didn't put hydraulic controls anywhere in their planes because 'it can fail'. :wink:
  18. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5ool

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    ^^^ How do you spot the "roadbook nerds" in a crowd of motorcyclists... ? :ear:wink:




    1. They're the ones who everytime they see a clear plastic lunchbox in a department store,
    they ask the shop attendant a) is the internal bredth more than 155 mm, but not more than 170 - 180 mm maximum
    b) is the lid transparent, scratch resistant and seals out dust/moisture.

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    2. When entering a mobile phone dealer, upon sighting the latest iphone/android/smartphone gadget...
    the first question is not about pay plans, mobile net coverage or international roaming...

    ... but if it has a GPS and is software compatible with google earth... :rofl

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  19. Brodovitch

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    :lol3

    Nah, all things considered I am a total luddite when it comes to the great digital roadbook debate...
    (As well as the great digital roadbook creation debate)

    Saying that, I did once have to tape my iphone to my roadbook screen to head back to the bivouac for repairs in the middle of a stage, this damn iPad mini would have been perfect :D
  20. troy safari carpente

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    :rofl

    I had a mate here from Sweden like that... before the Tuareg Rallye 2011 he had NEVER used a GPS (had ridden plenty of roadbook rally's etc. and was at home with the "paper" side of things).

    I said; "No worries..." (I was managing the team of two riders) "... I have a solution to simplify everything for you..." :wink:

    Anyway, a few days later... when we unload everything out of the team bus for inscription/ technical inspection,
    there on the screen of the Garmin 60 GPS is a yellow sticky "post it" note (like everyone has on the monitor of their computer at work to remind them of things).
    On the "post it" note I had hand drawn a big arrow pointing upwards... and "THIS WAY" written below it... :lol3

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