The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Technically, Despres is without a team and as I hear he is all but married to Faria, I assume Faria will follow his moneymaker. I think next year at KTM will be Coma/Pedrero and Chaleco/Caselli with Despres and Faria jumping to HRC.
  2. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    Is the Chaleco/Caselli duo a hunch or is there something solid backing up you assertion? Very interesting. I certainly think Caselli could maintain the speeds and shadow Lopez, so that would be a good pairing. The question becomes does HRC have room for two?
  3. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Just a hunch. After his performance and desperately needing younger talent, KTM would be fools to let Caselli slip away from the rally team. Despres apparently has some lofty demands, but it all depends on whether HRC wants to win. Rodrigues won't deliver that win to them.
  4. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    A couple of interesting tidbits for today:

    First up is Peru in the weekly game of musical countries about whom there is question as to participation in 2014. Announcement is due from the ASO on March 20th, but so far, Chile and Peru have both been rumored to be excluded through their sporting ministers deny the rumors. My suspicion is that the rally will begin in Rosario, Argentina, head to Bolivia for the rest day and a couple of stages, then on to Chile before ultimately concluding in Lima, but that is my hunch.

    Marc Coma is back, the Spaniard announcing that he will be in Abu Dhabi for the Desert Challenge and that he will spend the year developing a completely new bike for KTM to be debuted officially at Dakar 2014. Most likely fuel injected.

    KTM Motorsport boss Pit Beirer has lobbed a shot over the bow of Cyril Despres. In a German interview with Speedweek,de, Beirer stated, (my interpretation from the Google translation) "Cyril plays poker quite well, but he must be careful that he does not overplay his hand. That's all I want to say on this subject."

    Rumor is that Despres' demands are not insignificant, we'll see how badly Honda wants to win.

    We may also have seen the last of Jacek Czachor on a bike at Dakar. Looks like his long time association with the Orlen team may see him move into cars with Marek Dabrowski as his codriver.
  5. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    Coma likes Abu Dhabi and is it the last 3 or 4 he has won?
    Couple that with every night in 5 star luxury in the Qasr Al Sarab and who wouldn't - what a bivouac, look it up - http://qasralsarab.anantara.com/


    Now CDP - don't think there will be any surprises on the ego and demands, but when did Beirer actually make that statement - before or after the Chaleco news?

    Maybe CDP will be tasting a bit of good old fashioned humble pie soon, or maybe he won't find himself at the dinner table, or maybe even end up doing a 2013 Chaleco and being a high profile Privateer?

    One thing is for sure though and that is he won't give up on the Peterhansel target of 6 wins - never :1drink
  6. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    at Dakar the KTM boys talked quite a bit about having a new bike under development this year, one based on the current 450SXF............expect a lighter faster engine in a lighter faster bike, and one much less of a parts job from the 690RR parts book than the current 450RR
  7. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Big news today as BMW Motorad and Speedbrain agree to terminate their contract. As I understand it, and I am trying to confirm, the rider contracts are with BMW and not Speedbrain. Wonder if this termination also has an effect on the rider contracts. I'll post up when I get some answers.
  8. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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  9. too old

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    +1 - less than 4 weeks to the Desert Challenge and little or no news on the key teams and players :beer
  10. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    So a little digging leads me to clarify some things. First of all, both Paulo Goncalves and Joan Barreda are contracted to Speedbrain and not BMW Motorrad as I originally stated. I was wrong there. So all that means is that for the most part, the riders break camp with Speedbrain instead of remaining tied to BMW. I have verified with Quinn Cody that his contract runs through 2014, but I have not heard from him whether his contract is with BMW or Speedbrain, but I guess I suspect now it is with Speedbrain a la Goncalves and Barreda.

    It looks like Speedbrain will go it alone for a while, breaking free from both BMW and Husqvarna. Most of the bike engineering rights are held by them anyway and the bike looks like it will be homologated as a Speedbrain 450RR. The question remains as to the long term engine supply. I hear the Speedbrain guys are pretty happy doing everything in house rather than relying on Italy for the engine supply, but how this figures into the long term is yet to be determined.

    Riders are contracted to Speedbrain through Dakar 2014, I suspect Speedbrain has enough engines on hand for this season and the next Dakar, but essentially what they become is the perfect setup for a manufacturer that wants to get involved with a turn key program. Rebrand the bikes and they are good to go, nearly.

    Another tidbit I hear is that KTM has resigned Ruben Faria. This may be another shot over the bow of Cyril Despres. It's a smart move for Faria being that unless Despres could assure him a rol wherever he goes, quite frankly, Faria may have a hard time courting a comparable ride to KTM with someone else. At least on his own. This leaves Despres with the prospect of starting completely fresh with a new team or softening his approach to resigning with KTM. With Chaleco and Coma affirmed and Caselli a strong possibility for the future (if KTM is smart), I hate to ask, but is there any room left for Despres? I'm sure KTM would find the room, but Despres may be finding his musical chairs slowly disappearing.
  11. Brimstone

    Brimstone Super Duper n00b!

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    I'm curious as to why KTM, with Despres as a 5 time winner, is so anxious to cut him loose? Is it coming down to Despres asking for too much money? With Despres winning the last two, why wouldn't they want to keep him around and cut Coma loose? Or is Coma contracted for a while longer while Despres' is up? It is certainly interesting with Faria, Chaleco and Caselli in the background... Talk about politics!! Unless KTM is planning a three way assault a la VW...
  12. Goofy1

    Goofy1 Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the update. I've been rattling the cage of the one contact I had at Husq to no avail.


  13. too old

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    So, as clear as mud then:rofl:rofl

    Who knows what new Husky are up to. riders looking for rides and :deal, or are they?

    For all the speculation Caselli has his contract with KTM in the States, so probably isn't interested in any event (well not for a living)?

    Existing contracts to be continued/honoured or not; you would generally expect them to be optioned for renewal annually?

    Faria being talked of as if he is nothing without CDP, but without CDP he would be Dakar winner 2013?:clap

    So we question the future, but what about the present and when will the music stop? :eek1:huh
  14. Bluebull2007

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    I thought Faria always rode a little slower only because he was a Water carrier. How many times have we seen him stopping and waiting for his guy in the past 4 years? I can remember or 7-8 times at least. He rides very very well, but conservatively for his friend and now he has been dropped? Must be a really bum deal for the guy, I know I would take it very hard. I think unleashed he is pretty close to alien status in his own right.

    But if Cyril has been "playing poker well", then I guess its hardly a surpise that KTM have done this. A good way of calling his bluff and seeing whether he really wants to go (to Honda?) or not.

    As much as I would like to see Honda win, I dont think thats going to happen for another year or two still. That bike still needs so much development and anyway they are redesigning the wheel it seems. I think it would be silly for Depres to switch now...surely? :dontknow


    One n00b question for ya Doyle: Does what youre saying imply that Speedbrain is going to become a new stand alone production bike in a year or so? :ear If so that would be so, so cool. Im still pretty devastated that Husqvarna is now now longer...so maybe this could replace it?
  15. DruncleWill

    DruncleWill CRASH TESTED

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    You pose an interesting question (to me) here T.O. Just what is "for a living" to a top international rally racer? I would imagine that a top name like CDP is in the 2 or 3 million U.S. dollar range (although I could be way the hell off one direction or the other :rofl ). But what do the other top guys pull down? I'm always amazed by guys like Kurt and the other top off-road racers here in Southern California that the income of a successful racer is about the same as a gainfully employed weekend rider like myself. I could be completely wrong about the income of the top racers here in the States, but they all seem to live in homes and drive trucks similar to my own. This could be a cultural anomaly here in the US where the market for sports stars is somewhat diluted (thankfully not by soccer or snooker) but just how well do the top racers in other countries do?
  16. Dread Pendragon

    Dread Pendragon Don't look back

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    Quick, Doyle, give Jin Cheng a call. With Despres, Faria and Speedbrain all up for grabs, it's time for them to go from bottom of the pile to Dakar champions!

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  17. Gian

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    "BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain agree upon contract termination.

    After competing successfully together on the rally scene for several years, BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain GmbH are parting ways by mutual consent.

    Munich, 11th March 2013. The BMW Group is realigning its motorcycle business area and will, in the future, concentrate on expanding the BMW Motorrad brand. For this reason, Husqvarna Motorcycles has been sold to Pierer Industrie AG. This restructuring also has a knock-on effect on partner Speedbrain, with whom the BMW Group has cooperated very successfully in the field of motorcycle racing since 2006. BMW Motorrad and Speedbrain have, by mutual consent, terminated the existing contract with immediate effect.

    “We would like to thank Speedbrain for the successful cooperation we have enjoyed in recent years,” said Berthold Hauser, Project Leader at BMW Motorrad. “In Speedbrain, we knew that we always had a reliable and highly professional partner on our side in our off-road activities. The team played a major part in the success we enjoyed in the off-road area, from titles in cross-country racing to stage wins at the legendary Rally Dakar and success at other endurance rallies. The new, overriding conditions meant we had to find an acceptable solution for both sides. This process took its course in the same spirit of partnership as has been present throughout the entire cooperation. Over the course of productive and harmonious discussions, we agreed to terminate the existing contract with immediate effect. We wish the Speedbrain team every success for its future in motorsport.”


    Wolfgang Fischer, Managing Director of Speedbrain GmbH, said: “We are grateful to BMW Motorrad for the faith they have put in us in recent years. The outstanding cooperation and support we have received from BMW Motorrad over all the years should not be taken for granted. It has been great fun tackling the off-road racing adventures together with BMW Motorrad. It was a fantastic time, during which we all experienced and achieved a lot at rallies all over the world. We would like to wish BMW Motorrad all the best for the future, and are looking forward to the new challenges that now await us.”

    Speedbrain has been the team responsible for the off-road activities of BMW Motorrad and Husqvarna Motorcycles since 2006. These initially included outings in Enduro racing and then, since 2011, on the rally scene, with successful starts at the infamous Rally Dakar, in the Rally World Championship, and at other important endurance races. Speedbrain will continue to be involved in motorsport as a rally team in the future".
  18. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    To the contrary, I hear KTM has resigned Faria so he's good to go with KTM. It would be interesting to see how he really does go unfettered to support someone else, but I suspect he still will not be a #1 rider even if Despres leaves. I don't think it's as much that KTM wants to cut Cyril loose as much as it is he is driving a hard bargain for a new contract with them or Honda.

    Speedbrain owns nearly all the rights to the current TE449RR. They are completely separated from Husqvarna now and with the split from BMW, the bike essentially becomes a bespoke effort from the team and they become a small manufacturer similar to Bordone Ferrari and their Mi1. As I hear it, the bike will drop the Husky name and simply become a Speedbrain 450RR while the mechanical makeup remains the same.
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    Lets see how long they will be able to keep their sponsors..
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    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Yeah, I can see sponsors getting twitchy about losing the manufacturer linkage.

    :lurk