The Bivouac (general rallye raid news)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by PackMule, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. Brodovitch

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    weird, no mention of Pedrero... ?
  2. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    I sent him a message to see if he will make a statement about the announcement or his future.
  3. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    Sorry Chris don't know about that one.
  4. Mad Cow

    Mad Cow Dakar Addict!

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    Yep! the KTM press release confirms that Cyril is no longer part of their line up but.......

    Is he going to the Big Red?
    Or is he going green?
    Is he really going to four wheels?
    Or hanging up his helmet for good? (I doubt that).
  5. too old

    too old Keen supporter

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    Well as it's now Red Bull KTM, it's unlikely he'll have wings :lol3
  6. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    Top-class racing with certificate

    Speedbrain has been certified according to DIN ISO 9001. The company is therefore underlining its exceptional quality ambitions in the production and operation of pro and customer race motorcycles.

    Stephanskirchen, 12 March 2013
    Following nearly one year of preparation, Speedbrain GmbH has been certified by TÜV Süd according to DIN ISO 9001. The field of application for this certificate covers the racing team as well as the development, production and sales of road legal race motorcycles.

    The Speedbrain Rally Team, which has been successfully competing in the FIM Cross Country World Championship and the Rally Dakar in the past three years, has been attested with the highest quality standards through the certificate. Speedbrain is for this reason occupying a worldwide pioneer role when it comes to quality management in racing.

    Team principal Wolfgang Fischer: "The decision to establish a certified quality management is an important strategic asset within our professional and customer sports programme in the coming years."

    Together with long-time partner Monster Energy the team will begin the upcoming world rally campaign on 5 April 2013 at the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge. The two regular team riders Joan Barreda and Paulo Goncalves are eagerly awaiting a double header effort, as the race in Abu Dhabi is shortly followed by the Sealine Cross Country Rally in Qatar, round two of the championship.
  7. rmhrc628

    rmhrc628 Long timer

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    umm what does that mean? ISO9001 for a racing team?

    Is it euro centric code for nanny statism. (a disease we are importing by the ship load down here in australia)

    Or is it code for 'we can legally sell what we race' and the various euro govts approve?
  8. Brimstone

    Brimstone Super Duper n00b!

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    ISO is simply a standards approval organization. In a nutshell, it just proves that they are doing what they say they are doing from an engineering, documentation and manufacturing standpoint. There are many different levels of ISO certification, depending on what business or part of your business is being inspected. ISO 9000, 9001 and 9002 are common for mechanical engineering and manufacturing operations.

    Essentially, the certification ensures that the company is fully documenting their engineering, change management and manufacturing processes to a particular standard. This is important and a requirement in some cases to be able to sell your product abroad. It is also not a trivial process and when Speedbrain says they have spent the last year working on this certification they are certainly not joking. Most bigger companies will have at least one maybe more in house ISO reps/engineers specifically tasked with ensuring all relevant parts of the company are in compliance to make the annual inspection go a bit smoother. Big ups to Speedbrain for attaining the certification, it is no trivial matter.

    Of course, selling your product as a "road legal" race motorbike will also be subject to local government transportation agency approval. That is, if they want to sell a Speedbrain Rally 450RR in Canada, where I live, they will need to provide examples for Transport Canada to inspect and destroy to allow for certification. (Fat chance I'll ever see one here since this is usually cost prohibitive for all but the big manufacturers and even they don't bother. I'm looking at you Yamaha and your stubborn refusal to bring your already street legal Euro WR450F here for certification...)

    Canada is even worse when you get down to individual provinces, because here in British Columbia where I am, our provincial government run mandatory insurance agency has now made it virtually impossible to plate any bike that is marked as off road use only. So only a few mostly small displacement enduro bikes are available for legal on road riding. (KTM, Husaberg, but good luck finding a new 450cc bike to meet Dakar regulations... sigh)

    Hope that helps!
  9. Brimstone

    Brimstone Super Duper n00b!

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    I think this part of the press release is the most telling in why Cyril is not with the KTM Factory team any more. My hunch is he and the team just do not agree on something, maybe the new bike direction? Maybe how the team is run internally, who knows. The rest of the release is normal announcement stuff.

    That part above is the why they made the decision they did. Balance and Harmony. We can only infer that there was neither at this past Dakar. Maybe that is why Cyril struggled during the first half of the rally? And I use the word struggled lightly... since he was always right at the top...
  10. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    May be it's only one reason :
    money makes the world around...
  11. homerj

    homerj 742 Evergreen Terrace

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    Cyril didn't struggle, he only went as fast as necessary to survive the first half of the rally while remaining in striking distance of the lead. Do not, for one second, think anyone else in the field could have pushed CdP the way Coma could have. Some showed flashes of brilliance, but they aren't full Alien Status yet, that was proven most often when they opened the stage; they never won the stage they opened.

    It's more likely that he left (got left behind?) for the money. Possibly the distinction of being the sole number one rider (as opposed to 1A,1B situation in the KTM Factory umbrella).

    The typical racing pilots have a very short period in which to make say 80% of their lifetime income. I can't blame any Dakar pilot that sees he has fewer Dakar rides in front of him than behind him and chases some cash. We're not talking F1 pay where they pay by cubic meter and one season's pay is a life time of "F you" money. An extra few hundred thousand now could be the difference between retiring comfortably or being the Euro equivalent of a WalMart greeter.
  12. escuchamente

    escuchamente Let's Ride

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    Didnt Quinn Cody sign on with speedbrain for the 2013 championship season?
  13. Flood

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    CdP already has a new contract in his pocket, I'm 100% sure. So he was in a position to try and see how much KTM would offer him to stay. Only last week team boss Pit Beirer said publicly (on speedweek.de) that "Despres is gambling high". Going public while being in negotiations is a pretty brutal step, that interview was the first indication that things wouldn't turn out well for a Cyril/KTM future.
  14. SafariBerg

    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    Internal team politics played a significant role in Cyrils victory this year..........not just with Ruben, but all KTM team riders including those from ZA, Polska and Chile

    Team harmony is likely to have played as big a decider as $$
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    SafariBerg Oz Safari Addict

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    Red Bull frequently sponsors individuals not just the team.......part of Cyrils attraction to another team will be the Wings he brings with him
  16. italrally

    italrally Been here awhile

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    So who is the contract partner ?
    HONDA ?

    who else can and want to pay for such a big rally star a lot of money ?

    Hondas boss said after the Dakar 2013, that they will come back 2014 with a new team, so i think C.D. will be part of this new team !
    With Helder Rodriguez, Filippe Zanol and Sam Sunderland they could be very strong. I think Jonny Campell is not more part for 2014 team.

    I think also, it is the last chance for making big money as a motorcycle rally rider for Cyril, may be he signed a contract for 2 years, than he will change to the car section.
  17. Flood

    Flood F5lood.

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    I'm not sure if Cyril will keep his wings; the KTM-Red Bull/Pierer-Mateschitz connection is very strong and the new KTM factory team is called Red Bull KTM Factory. I hope for Despres than he can continue the Red Bull sponsorship, though.
  18. Goofy1

    Goofy1 Been here awhile

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    Did I miss Joan Barreda's Facebook comment here?

    Hi guys!
    After these first post-Dakar weeks, it seems that everything begins to be clarified. As you know, this season won't defend the colors of Husqvarna as in the last two years (only have words of gratitude for Husqvarna and BMW Group).
    I will continue linked to a project that I love and that we have done to grow from the bottom, two years ago they gave me the opportunity to be part of this project, I believe that now is the time to fight more than ever to achieve the objective that we set ourselves in SPEEDBRAIN.
    In Abu Dhabi, we reveal the major changes for what will be an advancement for the next Dakar. (Translated by Bing)

    And what is the "major change" they will announce?
  19. Brodovitch

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    Yamaha? :ear
  20. Flood

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    Cyril Despres leaves KTM for new challenges

    After 12 years and 10 Dakar podiums, 5 of which were victories, Cyril Despres and KTM have jointly agreed to go their separate ways, leaving Cyril free to explore new challenges and new horizons.

    Cyril Despres


    “I have spent a large part of my career to date with KTM, so as you can imagine it wasn’t a decision that was taken lightly. They were great years, very fruitful, both professionally and personally, and I owe much to everyone at KTM , especially the ‘boss’ Stefan Pierer, whose enthusiasm for the sport of rally-raid matches my own. I would also like to say a big ‘thank you’ to Heinz Kinigadner and Head of Motorsport Pit Beirer and everyone in the rally department. When I arrived it was run by the much missed Hans Trunkenpolz, who taught me how to develop a rally bike, and whose work is now being very ably continued by Stefan Huber. Finally, I say a very fond farewell to my factory mechanic throughout all that time, Roland Bruckner, and my support rider during the last four Dakars, Ruben Faria, who I wish all the best for the future.

    Although I say goodbye to all these people, I am sure I will be seeing many of them again very soon, as, with the continued support of my long-time partner Redbull, I will most definitely be staying in the sport. It is a little too early to give any more details, suffice to say I am extremely motivated by the new challenge I am about to embark on and look forward to giving you further details in the very near future."

    All the best

    Cyril

    PS: As the explorer Mike Horn would say "it's not the end of the story, it’s just the beginning of a new one…”.