The CRF1000L Africa Twin problem thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by twinrider, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Maniac28

    Maniac28 Been here awhile

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    No, had not touched it at all.

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  2. nordicbiker

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    Sidestands are not designed to carry the additional weight of the rider!

    I checked the Honda manual now which actually does not state this. KTM manuals do, if I remember right. Just imagine the forces on that sidestand bold and mounting when you add another 80, 100 or even more kilos while the bike is leaning!
    The better technique is to move the handlebar all the way to the right stop and then swing your right leg over it, bending the knee. Works nicely as long as you have no luggage too far to the front.
    Learn the right technique to get on and off the bike! I am "only" 1.71m with a 30" inseam and have no problem getting on or off WITHOUT using the footpegs!
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  3. kokos79

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    KTM manuals don't state anything like that , nor any other motorcycle manual I have seen so far. The only time I had one of my side stands fail was on the heavy XTZ750 that I have raised by 3cm. The extra lean angle put more weight on the side stand and it got bent one day when fully loaded. Mind you , that was 25years into its life.

    Honda tried to save weight by making many parts out of aluminium, such as the foot peg brackets and the side stand. Same reason the tail section is weak, as it is made entirely out of plastic.
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  4. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    Same here, owning a KTM 350 imparts good habits
  5. bmon

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    The AT side stand certainly isn't. My previous GS had no issue of the kind. Six years and 45k miles - no stand issue vs. 1.5 years and 11k miles - banana stand. Some habits die hard but the habit of using the peg for getting on the bike is lonng gone, heh. Thanks for the tips.
  6. ripping r

    ripping r Been here awhile

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  7. chrshale

    chrshale Been here awhile

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    Good. You sold yours because you wanted a street bike. None of these potential issues affected your bike, and yet you lurk here as if they did. Mine's fine. So is my son's. I've no doubt that these problems exist and we'll see what Honda does. I've owned just about every marquee and every single one had issues. Rant over.

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  8. neanderthal

    neanderthal globeriding wannabe

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    I had my first stall on my new bike this morning. As with my previous bike, the stall happened soon after starting. Basically a minute or so after starting it.

    Restarted and went on with my business same as the other times.
  9. windowto

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    Happened to me several times in over a year. I don't consider it a big deal with a cold engine. Once it runs, for more than a minute, it behaves fine. If a warm engine had a habit of stalling, I'd be more concerned...
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  10. mcmann

    mcmann Motorcycle ADV enthusiast

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    QUOTE="nordicbiker, post: 33176532, member: 140345"]Sidestands are not designed to carry the additional weight of the rider!

    I checked the Honda manual now which actually does not state this. KTM manuals do, if I remember right. Just imagine the forces on that sidestand bold and mounting when you add another 80, 100 or even more kilos while the bike is leaning!
    The better technique is to move the handlebar all the way to the right stop and then swing your right leg over it, bending the knee. Works nicely as long as you have no luggage too far to the front.
    Learn the right technique to get on and off the bike! I am "only" 1.71m with a 30" inseam and have no problem getting on or off WITHOUT using the footpegs![/QUOTE]

    I am guilty of mounting via the side stand. I have seen the below warnings on other bikes (F800GS comes to mind):

    "The side stand is designed to support only the weight of the motorcycle. Do not lean or sit on the motorcycle with the side stande extended."


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  11. ex_MGB

    ex_MGB Been here awhile

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    I always use the side stand when mounting or dismounting on a level surface. I have a foot enlarger which keeps the bike more upright.

    When mounting I turn the bars first to get the bike maximum upright, then quickly shift my weight as much as possible toward the other side as I use the footpeg.

    Maybe when heavily loaded this could be a problem, but none so far.

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  12. bbanker

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    The other option is to mount from the right side of the bike. Left hand on left grip, step on right foot peg, the sidestand is unweighted, swing your left leg over and good to go. Like the moto cops do.... Gotta get your balance point correctly though...
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  13. ya(x2)

    ya(x2) Long timer

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    "Learn the right technique to get on and off the bike!"
    For many, including myself, it's a matter of will and not technique. 43kkms I get on my bike using the left footpeg ... no drama and I will continue.
    You won't bend or break a KTM990 sidestand...

    This is what can be called a special technique (which I don't recommend even if I like Clinton's tips usually ; but I've tried it of course just for fun) !


    If it bends or break... I'll place a warranty claim. If it's after the warranty is over, I'll buy an aftermarket one. Not a big deal but I'll continue to get on the bike the way I want.

    I know I don't apply the appropriate way to get on my bike but there is a more crucial technique to master (and don't underestimate this one!) not much riders actually master :

    Jimmy Lewis finished 3rd of the 2000 Dakar Rally (on a BMW R 900 RR...). First was Richard Sainct. We can trust his advices I guess. ;-)

    The sidestand shouldn't break or bend. Design problem. Best to invest our time into practicing useful techniques and get on our bike the way we find convenient. Driving licence inspector or Honda after sales folks won't know I get on my bike like a horse... no, they won't! :)

    -->
    https://krooztune.store/shop/adventure-bikes/honda-africa-twin-crf1000l-billet-sidestand/ (for lowering kits but I'm sure they can make a standard one!)

    --> http://soupysperformance.com/africa...adjustable-lowering-kickstand-side-stand.html
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  14. ya(x2)

    ya(x2) Long timer

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    I'm afraid my chain needs to be replaced at 43kkms. Many stiff chain links... front and rear sprockets look ok. Dusty / muddy caucasian and turkish trails have brought their contrib.

    For sure, next one won't be a D.I.D... they can sell one to Mr .T instead! With spokes even... :)

    Service maintenance tomorrow (the 36kkm one actually), fork stiction issue will be checked (externally...), let's see if they agree but I feel the stiction. They also replace the front wheel under warranty (waiting to be replaced since many months now...) and will plug the comp to check for DCT errors.

    Huge cyclic vibration >135kms. Bearing, stiff chain links, internal transmission, tires... in France, hard for them to diagnose and check without breaking the law... :)
  15. motomuchacho

    motomuchacho Been here awhile

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    Sorry to hear that you've got stiction too. I'm still riding and will have mine inspected once the riding season is tapering back. Stiction seems to be increasing. Remember that the damage to the anodizing won't be visible unless they wipe down the oil from the inside of the tubes thoroughly with a rag. Also, please do post your findings after they take a look - preferably in the specially designated fork thread - the more documentation the better.
  16. ya(x2)

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    Picked-up the bike back at noon but we didn't talk much as they were busy... not a word about stiction. I don't think they've identified a stiction because they did a road test and have probably tested the fork in the workshop also. They might have forgotten about it though...

    Also, the Honda computer (software issue) was not working so they've simply done a shortcut on the plug to read error codes and they could only read an inclination sensor one (tip-over). I will never know what happened with "1" and "-" blinking randomly during the first week of my trip... The lead mechanic told me that if I ever find myself stuck with gear that cannot engage --> ECM RESET PROCEDURE as a last resort (and we know we can try to move the bike back and forth also). What worked for me so far : pressing "N" and then turning off the ignition.

    So I focused on the essentiel : bearings (ok in the old front wheel), the chain which have several stiff links (but ok for 10-20 more kkms), oil / filters service maintenance (which is free) and front wheel change.

    I plan to do off-road in South-West of France (trails are very rocky) and to go (10 days) to North Africa (before the end of the year) so I'll see how things will evolves. Bike is under warranty until Feb 2019, so no need to rush on my side. The worst it will become the easier it will be to place the claim and the newer will be the fork / parts. Anyhow, I'll report the outcome in the suggested specific thread.
    If I insist and ask them to disassemble the fork and they find nothing (like black metallic particles in the oil...), I'm sure they won't ask me to pay for the labor, but I would have used my credibility "JOKER card".
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  17. Squily

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    WTF mate? You get >40kkm out of a chain and you complain? How much you expecting then? I've never even gotten 40kkm out of ANY chain. :lol3

    I used to replace my RD07's chains around 25-30kkm (X-ring, not O-ring). I get around 35kkm on the Vara, but never quite make the 40 milestone. I often wondered is the reduced chain life on the RD07 had to do with the long length (124 same as new AT) and long swingarm (and huge range of operation) as the Vara had a much more powerful engine, heavier bike and yet the chain lasts longer on it.
  18. ya(x2)

    ya(x2) Long timer

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    Chain should do until the 48kkms service maintenance (but both sprockets could do much more... too bad ! :), like the brake pads. :))

    New chain kit, brake pads, new tires and I might sell the bike at 48kkms (with 15months of warranty to go) for a 2018... will see.
  19. drzdirtrider

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    Honda replaced mine under warranty.


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  20. jyrays

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    Where?