I was wondering about actual seat height. I'm not near ready to buy yet, just trying to get my wits togeather over which bike to get between the new CRF 250 L & a used/good deal KLX 250 SF. Just guessing that my daughter is 5.4 or 5.5 & she clearly takes after her dad with two wheeled demonstrations of cat like balance. She needs more dirt time on her KLX 140 but, I'm sure she will soon be able to "one leg" a 250 safely. This will be a bike that Dad gets some seat time on & I'm thinking the Honda might put the biggest smile on my face. I'm sure a KLX 250 SF is still alot better than a sharp sick in the eye.