the DR650 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by sleepywombat, May 1, 2006.

  1. shu

    shu ...

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    Smoke? Under the tank? I've smelled that before. In this case it was from an F650 Dakar. We put it out with our water bottles but not in time to save the bike.


    somewhere in Uzbekistan
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    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568261&highlight=rocking+chair+2010&page=15

    Time to get some help from someone who knows wiring.


    ..............shu
  2. shaddix

    shaddix Banned

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  3. ER70S-2

    ER70S-2 Long timer

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    Have there been any wiring modifications to your bike? The dealer will be glad to see you. :deal

    Holy sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttt!!!!! My heart would stop if I saw that mess anywhere near home. But somewhere in Uzbekistan!! :eek1 Bimmers suck. :evil Glad it wasn't on a DR, my nightmares would start tonight. :2cry

    I am, however, on shedule to leave for Kalifornia on Friday. :D :clap :freaky
  4. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    "Last" is a relative term. For an Off Road tire they hold up very well. But if you run them at high speed on pavement ... they'll probably be gone in less than 2,000 miles.

    I'd bet on the T-63 going further for riding more pavement. But the Gritty is far better performing off road. Guys race on these tires. The real deal ... but not really ideal for pavement. I would consider a Gritty front over the T-63. Fronts don't wear out like a rear ... so a front Gritty will work well until you flat spot it on pavement.
    At that point ... it's junk. The front is the important tire off road ... especially on the heavy DR650.

    The Metzelers are Excellent too!

    You can't have everything in ONE tire ....
  5. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Shop hourly rate varies ... probably between $65 to $90 per hour. Sorting out burnt out wiring harness is very labor intensive ... especially if they give the job to the young apprentice :lol3.
    I'd guess maybe 8 hours of shop time to re-wire the bike?

    You need to find a good friend who likes Beer ... and also knows how to read a wiring harness and use a VOM (volt-Ohm meter) It's not so bad for an experienced electrical guy.

    If not too many of your wires are burnt ... just go back in and solder in replacement wires. Try to color match and used same gauge wire. Also, you've got to find what the original problem was ... or the same thing will happen again.

    Good luck!
  6. shaddix

    shaddix Banned

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    I make 18/hr. New harness is like 300 bucks. Best bet is to just buy and replace it myself?
  7. neo1piv014

    neo1piv014 ADV in training

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    Can we get a picture of what your wires look like? If they're all totally trashed, then yeah, you might have to just buy a new wiring harness (check ebay and local wrecker yards first), but if it's only one or two problem wires, soldering and shrinking is going to be fine.
  8. neo1piv014

    neo1piv014 ADV in training

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    In between studying for some IT exams at work, I finally got the top off my carb again, which would be vastly easier if the seat, side panels, tank, throttle cables, and choke cable didn't have to come off with it. Thanks to all the helpful folks on here, I realized that my white spacer was in the completely wrong place, and I had an unnecessary washer shimming things up as well. I pushed the spacer up to where I had the clip (position 3), made sure everything was snug, and set the washer aside. I put everything back together and let it idle for about 5-7 minutes in the garage just to get up to a temp where it didn't need the choke to maintain smooth idle.
    After that, I started playing with the throttle position to see if there were any quickly detectable rough spots. The thing revved like it wanted to be a sport bike and sounded much, much better. There didn't seem to be nearly as much of a hesitation in the throttle, either. Assuming that this fixes the bogging, surging, and extremely poor mileage I've been getting, I'll call it a success. I'm definitely expecting to see some mileage improvements, since the spacer was essentially simulating a needle with the clip at the 75th position or so :D

    Here's to hoping I'm done posting about carbs except to say "hey guys, I finally ordered that TM40"

    my specs:
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  9. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    It can be difficult to get replacement metric smoke because its so rarely needed, but the Imperial Lucas product is readily available at your local British bike or car shop. It just needs to be suitably massaged to adapt it to the metric application.

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  10. 1989THEARK

    1989THEARK Been here awhile

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    You make 18 an hour and will be paying 600 dollars if you dont find the problem the FIRST time.

    i've replaced a few wiring harnesses myself in cars.

    if it turns out the charging system is what melted the wiring harness in the first place you run the risk of not only burning a few wires.

    but setting the bike on fire.

    your choice. But if you set the bike on fire. can i have your foot pegz?:D

  11. shaddix

    shaddix Banned

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    The harness is all melted together in two places, I can take pics this weekend





    Yeah I'm just gonna take it to a dealer ._.
  12. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

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    Ah Lucas, Prince of darkness! :D
  13. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    I ride a mix of true offroad trails and gravel roads. 80 -90% And the rest tar. I typically trailer my DR650 to the area I'm gonna ride. I get about 2500 miles out of the Kenda Trakmaster rear and maybe 3500-4K from the ED-03.

    I also had a wire harness fire. ended up putting in a used harness. (check ebay or other DR forums first) It was not to hard, but a bit of advice. I started at one end of the bike and worked my way to the other end unhooking and re-connecting as I went, so I could replicate the routing, which is important because of things like where the tank goes etc. best of luck. you can do it!
  14. Richguzzi

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    Bring plenty of lube....

    You should at least investigate whether those two spots are completely melted together or the sheathing is just melted all up due to one or two wires overheating. Could be an easy and far cheap solution to splice in some new wires and connections.
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    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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  16. Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Sic Semper Tyrannis Plays with Banjos, Boats and Bikes...

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    You have comp on your insurance? Fire is a covered loss in most policies. The original individual part that failed likely won't be covered but all the resulting damage would be.
  17. acesandeights

    acesandeights Asperger

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    +1
  18. MikeyP

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    I hate to kick up a contentious subject once it's started to calm down a bit but in catching up with everything I've missed over the past couple weeks while work took over my life, I noticed that there was talk of Derek looking for a local candidate for some DR650 tuning tests. In case my reply was missed when this was discussed in December:

    "I'm not sure what tests you'd like to run, but I'll offer up my bike in the name of science. I live only a short drive away in SF and I have ~16K miles on the odo, GSXR exhaust, Kientech midpipe, stock header pipe with ground weld, open top air box with K&N filter (also have the stock filter on hand), relatively fresh spark plugs, fuel filter, DJ kit, and only ~1500 miles on the slides in the carb. I bought those from you just a few months ago Derek at the same time I did a complete carb rebuild. I also have on hand an mx_rob FCR that I've been trying to find time to install. I could bring that along or come back after I install it to see what numbers change if that interests you."

    The only thing I'd add based on recent discussions is that I do not have a non-USA OEM needle available.

    -Mike
  19. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

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    I've finished my header grind, GSXR muffler conversion and my stock carb Procycle jet and needle kit with air box cut out, oh yeah and a K&N filter. What are the stock numbers for the bike and what should I see typically with these mods? A better carburetor is on my list for the future but out of the budget for know.

    I'm still snowed in so I can't go out and do my "seat of the pants dyno" ride I usually do after work like this and the suspense is killing me!
  20. TIGERRIDER007

    TIGERRIDER007 North GA RAT

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    Thanks to all the info on tires, I've decided to get the Metzeler Unicross and keep the Bridgestone as a backup plan.
    I appreciate the help and will be posting soon...I hope!
    :D