the DR650 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by sleepywombat, May 1, 2006.

  1. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    It's good K & N are open to dealing with customers and answering queries.
    Problem is some us go back a few years with K & N products ... and not all experiences are good. I've read quite a few first hand reports from riders using K & N. Dirt bikes, Dual Sport and Street bikes. I also have personal experiences with K & N.

    I owned a very tricked out 1981 R100RS. It had the pancake sort of K & N that went in the RS's air box. I kept the filter clean and oiled regularly. The bike was never ridden on dirt roads ... yet I found dirt inside my Del Orto
    Carbs on several occasions in the 40K miles I rode the bike. I asked a very good BMW dealer and friend. This guy is an expert mechanic, racer and amazing guy (sadly, no longer with us) His answer? It's the K & N.

    A riding buddy had K & N pod filters on his inline four. Same story, dirt ingress. These sorts of stories are all over the net. No doubt some of this is the owners fault, not K&N's, Some claims will prove to be improper install or poor maintenance by owners.

    But the negative reports are so pervasive and have been going on for SO LONG ... I think we have to conclude there are REAL issues with K & N air filters. I doubt it's some sort of "conspiracy" to discredit and ruin K & N by competitors.

    Right here on this thread ... started in 2007 ... I've read several negative, first hand report on K & N. These on the DR and other bikes.
    YMMV, IMHO, Blah Blah Blah. :lol3
  2. DockingPilot

    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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  3. TrophyHunter

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    cemory - very nice! Moab is still on my list.
  4. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Just so you know, Dresda is my wife so between us, we want two.

    And yes, we really are very happy with the levers...
  5. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    So, K&N filters are no good whatsoever?

    Should I go back to OEM or use something else?

    No dirt riding.

    Trip to Tierra Del Fuego planned, will try to find the best road surface possible as the Mrs Tucker doesn't 'enjoy' soft surface.
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  7. Foot dragger

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    Smoother then stock? My bone stock DR will climb anything its pointed at as smoothly as an electric motor,refuses to stall and runs the same from 10,000' to sea level. The plug has never shown a lean condition,it gets 50 mpg most all the time. I dont think I'll mess with it.

    Its almost like the factory engineers tuned the airbox/exhaust/carb to all work together as a package and get the best happy medium for many uses.

    A bike this big and tank like really doesnt need to go faster in the dirt.
  8. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Nice New Toy! Let the Farkling begin!
  9. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    2 up to Tierra Del Fuego on a DR? I like it! I tend to sit all the way back on the seat even at 6' tall to cruise slabs so 2 up must be perfect and more power to you!
  10. Thumper74

    Thumper74 Adventurer

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    I'm chiming in on two things! I've had my DR650 for a little under a month. I love it. The girlfriend loves it. Once I get going and build my adventure sidecar, my lab will love it.

    Second, K&N filters are known for this... Google 'dust out'
  11. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    First, a huge thank you to ProCycle! What a great operation. I emailed Jeff the other day with questions on a few things and he put me in touch with one of his staff, Drum. We bounced emails back and forth and I made up my shopping list. I got down there this morning at 10:30 AM and he had everything on the counter waiting for me! So I plunked down the cash and drove away with some new stuff.

    Got home, spent the day cleaning the grime off the airbox, suspension, etc, and then installing a fancy new Cogent rear shock with their special shaft assembly and a 7.5 spring. Next, I replaced my IMS gas tank with a new Acerbis 5.3 gal one and the twin petcock setup. Finally, I change the oil, lubed the chain and went for a ride. The shock and spring feels great. I do need to do a little tweaking of the settings to get it just right. I softened the clicker on top by one click... but... how do you adjust the rebound on this thing? I don't see any other clickers anywhere. On my KLX, it's another screw thing down at the bottom. On that bike, I ended up going two clicks back on the Compression and two clicks forward on Rebound.

    Also, I got a rim lock in my last Rocky Mountain ATV/MC order since I have a set of D606's to go on my spare wheelset. But I was just thinking... do the DR wheels have holes for them or will I need to drill one? If I have to drill, where should I put it? Close to the valve stem or opposite from it?

    Thanks!

    Rob

    PS: I posted my white IMS tank in the flea market. :)
  12. JagLite

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    You didn't get a copy of the Moab shock tuning instructions?
    You can read it or print it out on the PC website.
    The quick answer is the red knob on the bottom of the shaft that goes around the shaft.
  13. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    Nope; just found it on their website, thanks! I do need to set my sag soon as I can find somebody to measure for me. I think I have it pretty close as it is.

    Good to know on the rebound adjuster. I'll add a click or two in the morning before I head out.

    Rob
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    TUCKERS the famous james

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    NO! We have two DR's. The Mrs is an ADVRider! She's done 160,000 miles on BMW's since 2000.
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    Way smoother.

    The best you've ridden, is the best you know!
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    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    I put my rimlock 4 spots over from the valve stem Because that is where every dirtbike I've ever owned puts them I know there's a reason, but not the details. Yes, you must drill the rim yourself. Make sure you got a 2.50 rimlock if you have the stock rim.
  18. poppawheelie

    poppawheelie Been here awhile

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    When I set up my DR in 2009, I went just a little richer than stock and have been happy with it ever since. It pulls smoothly through the rev range. Like someone alluded to, it's not an MX bike. Opening up this and that makes more noise than anything else.
    Reminds me of the Harley guys. :rofl I'm still trying to get the Street Glide I bought months ago to run right. It sure made enough noise with the Vance and Hines and opened air filter the previous owner put on it. I corked the V & H, but the air box and mapping are wrong, just messed up and did nothing but make noise. Couldn't find a stock muffler and air box via Craig's List, or I would have put that on. Would get better gas mileage too, I'm sure. :deal
  19. motolab

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    Is it possible that you meant "alluded"?

    Regards,

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  20. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    K & N are common and in use world wide on Bikes, Cars and big trucks. I'm sure they have thousands of loyal customers who have had good luck with the product. Some here rave about them ... so obviously not everyone has had problems ... and they certainly flow a lot of air.

    I'm happy with Foam filters. If there was something better the Japanese OEM's would be using something different on their Race bikes. NONE are using K & N ... ALL are using oiled foam air filters .. and have been for 40 years. Now why is that? :ear :lol3

    Some K & N filters are sort of a "One Size Fits All" item. So perhaps in some cases that is allowing dirt ingress? I have no idea why dirt gets into them ... but I've seen it with my own eyes. The other thing is poor owner maintenance. Especially off road, a K & N will require more attention than a good Foam Air Filter. Not a good travel item, IMHO.

    The Suzuki DR650 OEM foam air filter is well made, filters perfectly and strong. But it's just a but restrictive to air flow. This is NOT a big deal.

    Many here have had good luck with Twin-Air foam filters. UNI Filter make a good Foam filter for the DR650 too. I've been running Twin-Air filters on my DR for nearly 50,000 miles. They filter very well ... NO DIRT gets in Carb if properly oiled and installed.

    Take care of your Twin Air filters ... good for 20,000 miles of hard use. Should cover your S. America ride. Handle them with care, DO NOT use Gasoline to clean them. (Diesel is OK but rinse well with soap and water, never squeeze hard or wring out)

    Off Road In S. America
    I'm sure with practice your wife will become a better off road rider. Deep sand is tough, even for experts. Baby Steps. You guys will encounter rough sections, but most dirt roads are in decent condition. More and more is paved.

    You probably should skip the Salar de Uyuni (Salt lake in Bolivia), but most everything else I'm thinking she can handle ... if carrying a light load on a well lowered bike and well set up bike.

    When practicing off road remind your wife of the following off road riding techniques:
    1. VISION: Look WELL OUT AHEAD, at least 30 yds. ahead. This will have a sort of miracle affect on her control and confidence. Look where you want to go ... and you will go there. Never look down just ahead of front tire. (bad!)

    STAND UP: She will need to learn to ride the bike standing ... and do everything from that position. Not hard, just takes seat time. Baby steps.

    RELAX ... your grip on the bars, steer with feet and knees on tank. RELAX.

    BREATH: Many novice riders tense up off road ... and they stop breathing!
    really true! If you tense up and hold your breath
    (many do it unconsciously) ... you will tire quickly and get ARM PUMP.

    POSITION: scoot back on seat in soft conditions, use a bit more throttle to keep bike going straight.

    Practice Practice Practice!!! :clap:clap