the DR650 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by sleepywombat, May 1, 2006.

  1. eakins

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    sidestand or the plastic one you whack with a rock and it wedges the tire off the bead. motion pro beadpro (alum. version) is the slickest of the group and doubles as irons.
  2. shu

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    I'm sure others here are quite good at changing tires and they will offer their bead breaker up, but all I can do is speak from my experience: [Don't read any further if it makes you mad and makes you want to call me out. I'm not looking for a fight :lol3)

    I've never met a tire that I couldn't break the bead on with 3 regular sized tire irons, tire lube and patience and sometimes some cussing. Ever. That includes some stiff walled tires like MEFOs, Heidenaus, Metzler Tourances, and other IRC, Bridgestone, etc. I've ridden a lot of miles and changed a lot of tires.

    So my answer is I don't carry a special tool for breaking the bead.


    My technique (I read it somewhere) is to use a lot of lube, and 3 tire irons: 2 pressing down on the outside of the tire about 6-8 inches apart ( angle them together and hold both with one hand) and the third levering millimeter by millimeter in the opposite direction in between the first two. You don't need to try to pop the whole thing off at once. You just need to move it little by little over the hump in the rim. Move it a little, and work a little more lube down into the wheel. It rarely takes me more than about ten minutes working in that one section of the tire to get the bead broken.

    I also carefully scrub the black rubber residue out of the rim before I mount my new tire. I think that makes a difference in how hard it is to move the tire when you break the bead.

    Also I try to work on warm tires if at all possible. I'll warm them by riding on them, setting them in the sun, leaning the wheel near my woodstove for awhile- anyway I can think of to soften up the rubber.

    hope that helps some............shu
  3. Gebogen

    Gebogen Been here awhile

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    Camp suds or dish soap + water works for getting the tire off, scotch brite for cleaning the rim (and deglazing the rotors) and if you have time and the sun, baby powder (small, hospital give away size) for reinstalling the tube. Motion pro spoons with the axle wrenches; 24,22, & 19mm. Three irons makes it easier. Headlamps are kinda important too, just cause. By the way, J&P has the motion pro chainbreaker/riviter on sale for 5.99 + 6.95 shipping.

    Warning - I did not say I was good at it
  4. Kommando

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    Motion Pro Beadbreaker levers pack light and double as decent levers. I break 15" rear cruiser beads with almost 20K miles on them, no lube, in seconds. I also pack 2 t6 combo levers...24mm and 12mm/13mm. The DR's OEM toolkit has small levers too, with a 19mm and a 24mm wrench. I've actually used JUST the OEM toolkit to change a front tire. It works, but the Motion Pro levers are much nicer.
  5. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    :D

    Actually, just the carb is likely to get mama mad. I use ATV Logic tank panniers and tankbag. They're around $25/ea. The Moose Dualsport front fenderpack wasn't very expensive either, and IMS tanks pop up for sale for under $150 sometimes. My front end stays down a little better now too.
  6. Mambo Dave

    Mambo Dave I demand proof, sir.

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    Either of you happen to have a GOPro or video cam to put your methods up on YouTube?
  7. cyberdos

    cyberdos Easy Bonus Loop

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    We had to change 18 flats over 2 days on the southern AZ ride a few weeks ago and another 5 flats last weekend on a local ride.

    If I see another flat tire I may just have to shoot my screen. :lol3
  8. Red Herring

    Red Herring Gnarly Commuter

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    Bam! Thaks for the repost! Brilliant idea, and now on tomorrows to do list!!:D:D:D
  9. psmcd

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    Those old grips were soft and I know that was part of the problem. I have a paddle type grip that gives more surface for the palm on my bicycle. Think I'll give the rope a try this winter starting with smaller diameter rope. My riding is all loose grip, float like a butterfly, until it turns death grip wide eye.:eek1:lol3
  10. psmcd

    psmcd Long timer

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    Any chance you have a photo Numbers? Couldn't get your bike pages link to work.
  11. tlmaffucci

    tlmaffucci Been here awhile

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    I've never changed a tube on a motorcycle before. What is the basic process? Just so I'm not lost when I have to do it myself. Is it really as hard as y'all make it sound? Is this a good tool for the job?

    http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0519/

    Should I also get a tire iron? Would this be sufficiant tools for the job.
  12. Foot dragger

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    Dave.......rope wrapped grips? I wear X-Large gloves due to freakishly long fingers.
    I dont even like large-ish diameter grips as they make the bike feel clumsy.

    How the hell do you hang on with grips that size? Ive never in 40 some years of riding seen grips wrapped with rope or even venetian blind twine.

    Except yours of course.
  13. Foot dragger

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    You may want to start with an ADV tire changing thread,all will be revealed. Its harder then some things on bikes.
  14. Foot dragger

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    I think you are in the .001 % who would ride with rope wrapped around your grips and say it was great. But this is the internets and others will now try it.

    As long as it works,use it.
  15. Mambo Dave

    Mambo Dave I demand proof, sir.

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    .001% who would ride with it - or in the .001% of riders who have tried it?

    Your post just before this stated you've never seen anyone do it, so it's not like many have even thought about trying it, yet you cannot argue that there is a market for those larger foam grips (that are worthless), plus some other larger grips in general, and that the ergonomic trend in car steering wheels has been larger and larger diameters for the hands. Compare a 1970 steering wheel to a 2014 average car, then compare that average car's wheel to a 2014's super-car's steering wheel. Granted, it's a different purpose, but like we've already talked about - most of us are not racing. Hell, the average ADV rider I've seen and ridden with rides at about 50% of the level I do with my DR650, and I do not ride hard. If it's comfort common ADV'ers want, then I'd suggest they try this. The rare true racer amongst us would disagree, I'm sure, in an effort to control the bike when in mid-air when getting huge air.

    And, again, I shouldn't have to write this because I'm sure you read through that thread I created where I stated how I came to the idea, but plenty of people who rely on getting a good grip to hold on to have been wrapping cordage around their handles and controls for probably 100, or more, years - yet all of a sudden the world has to stop and explain itself to guys who come up with statements like "I've never seen that done." :huh

    One way or another, thanks so much for giving me some random percentage number of where I stand in the community. In some way I'm sure it will help me before I die. Meanwhile, some of the riders who read that thread I created on it are already using their versions of it.

    And holy shit, Private Pyle, thanks for your permission to use it.
  16. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    I haven't run it enough to realize any wear on the swingarm slider. I found a SunStar 13 tooth in 520 with the correct spline. Overall thickness is 9mm. It's stamped "SunStar 317".
    I recall that the Sunstar part # is 31713. I believe it was for an 80's KLX 250. It is not drilled and tapped for use with the stock retainer. I ran the clip for 13,000 miles on my '96 and hadn't noticed any wear on the countershaft from sprocket movement. That was with 14 tooth sprockets in 520 sourced from Keintech.

    hope that's helpful
  17. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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  18. Kommando

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    Those levers are what we were talking about before. They work great for me, but having a few other tools/supplies can make changing tires/tubes pretty easy once you have the technique down. I learned by watching a few youtube vids. I've changed a tire without any other levers besides those 2, but I usually prefer to have 3 levers. I carry 4, besides the 2 near-useless stubby ones in the OEM toolkit, even though I've successfully used JUST those stubby OEM ones on a front tire. A rear 17"er would be a real bear with the stubbbies though, IMO. The front 21"er wasn't too bad. The other 2 levers I carry are Motion Pro T6 combo levers...24mm and 12mm/13mm. I also carry other tools/supplies...BeadBuddyII, baby powder, valve-stem snake with valve-puller, mtn bike pump, and an EnduroStar Trailstand.
  19. GSF1200S

    GSF1200S Been here awhile

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    Thanks very much for the info.

    Coincidentally, I was coming here to ask if any of you had seen THIS?
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRONT-SPROC...0-SE-96-97-98-99-00-01-02-03-04-/251365153720

    It looks like a 13 tooth in 525 with the correct spline and bolt pattern, and it looks like it is thick at countershaft. I havent seen any sprocket claiming to be this from ProCycle or Keintech. For me, this very well might be the perfect solution for my SA trip.

    Has anyone even heard of this ebay item before??
  20. eakins

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    read Neduro's thread
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50717

    and yes that is a great tool to own if you have no tools at this moment and have not changed a tire. breaking a bead can often be on of the hardest things to do with some tire designs. you might want to add 1 more tire lever in the mix (that tool offers 2) as i found having 3 is key at times.

    the biggest trick to mounting is to not pinch the tube by mistake (slightly inflate the tube so it does not fold on itself and wedge in the bead area or get nicked by a tire iron & use some baby powder) and to push the already mounted bead side of the tire down into the rim well (center dished area) so you gain length & room to finish mounting the tire bead onto the rim. those that have problems getting the last bit of tire on the rim often forget to push the opposite side of the tire bead into the well!

    these help a ton out in the field
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538235
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=380877 - I use this one

    biggest tip i can offer you: 1st practice changing tires at home!!!