The Elio Trike - $6800, 80mpg, 107mph Top Speed

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by southwade, May 12, 2013.

  1. 100mpg

    100mpg Self Imposed Exile

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    Well....That is interesting. Guess I better start saving my money.
  2. Bar None

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    "two dozen delivered to feds for crash testing"?, Really?
    You have to crash test a motorcycle? :rofl
    It is a three wheeled motorcycle.
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  3. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    If they sell it as a motorcycle, you'll have to have an endorsement to drive it. A car will require no special endorsement. Can-Am is able to skirt the MC license in only a few states.

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  4. Qwik

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    I hope it makes it. Kind of a cool, VW Bugesque look to it.
  5. Bar None

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    Federal regulation define the Elio as a motorcycle.
    "Motorcycle is defined as a motor vehicle with motive power having a seat or saddle for the use of
    the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground."
    It will have to be sold as a motorcycle. That is why the "They said that 2 dozen had been delivered to the Fed.s for crash and safety tests." statement was BS.

    Individual states can waiver the requirements of a two wheel motorcycle endorsement for a trike.

    For example Florida has a three wheel only restriction which is satisfied by the S/TEP course which I took for sidecar training. Since I already had a motorcycle M endorsement which also includes trikes and side cars I didn't want the three wheel only S restriction.
    "Those who pass the Motorcycle S/TEP course will have an "S" restriction on their license. The S Restriction indicates that the person only has permission to operate a three wheeled motorcycle."

    Your state is probably different.

    I think Alabama is the only state that does not require a motorcycle endorsement. You can get an M endorsement in Alabama but it is not required when operating a motorcycle in Alabama however you need a M endorsement in all the other states.
  6. ktrout01

    ktrout01 Been here awhile

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    I ride twelve months here in CT and this would be a great option in bad weather. I'd really like to see this one make it to market especially if the drivetrain was off the shelf parts without a lot of proprietary pieces.
  7. Ogre_fl

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    True, crash ratings are not needed for a 3 wheel motorcycle, but I believe elio was trying to get a good crash rating anyway.
  8. RidingDonkeys

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    I suspect we'll start seeing that law transition. Congress is not opposed to altering laws to protect US companies. Just look at what they did to the German diesel passenger cars in 2006. They successfully stopped importation of them using the EPA, and it resulted in us having to buy AdBlue diesels now to meet bogus emissions standards.

    Three wheel cars are becoming more popular around the world for their fuel economy. I think the delineating factor will be how it steers and whether or not the cockpit is enclosed.

    Remember, there was a time when three-wheel cars were indeed three-wheel cars in the US.

    Damn, the gov't just complicates everything. :puke1
  9. Bar None

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    Three wheeled cars are popular around the world because they are considered motorcycles and are taxed and regulated like a motorcycle.
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    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner

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    to say that my interest is peaked would be an understatement. I cannot wait to see and hear more
  11. RidingDonkeys

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    Not in the EU. Unless something has changed since I left in 2009, a three wheeler with an enclosed passenger compartment was considered an automobile. I believe it is the same in Canada too.

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  12. SwampFox883R

    SwampFox883R Been here awhile

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    The Louisiana legislature is working to exempt the Elio trike from the mandatory helmet law. From: http://www.ktbs.com/story/22395561/elio-drivers-wouldnt-have-to-wear-helmets ...House Bill 218 makes changes to the definition of vehicles considered "autocylces,'' noting that roll bars in vehicles like the Elio would allow an exemption from the helmet requirement...

    However, Elio has failed to raise funds to purchae the former GM S10/Colorado manufacturing plant in Shreveport. So now the local parish (county) commission has approved $7.5 million to purchase the facility to lease back to Elio and others. :muutt From: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013130822010
    August 22, 2013: Caddo ParishÂ’s Industrial Development Board is set to become the new owner of the former Shreveport General Motors assembly plant.
    Commissioners today voted 11-1 to allocate $7.5 million in parish funds to purchase the facility. Caddo ParishÂ’s Industrial Development Board would make the purchase (for liability reasons) and then lease it to Stuart Lichter's California-based Industrial Realty Group, which would assist Elio Motors in setting up operations at the plant and sublease the remaining space....
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  13. Bar None

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    Well I could be wrong but read the EC site below.
    "Motor tricycles
    L5e Vehicles with three symmetrically arranged wheels fitted with an engine having a cylinder capacity of more than 50 cm3 if of the internal combustion type and/or a maximum design speed of more than 45 km/h"
    "Category M - Motor vehicles having at least four wheels and for the carriage of passengers"

    http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/vehicles/categories_en.htm
  14. Bar None

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    From http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013130822010&nclick_check=1
    "Commissioner Stephanie Lynch cast the sole opposing vote."
    "Lynch also is petitioning the Commission to keep their cash and ask Revitalizing Auto Communities Environmental Response (RACER) Trust to re-market the property to find a more qualified and financially stable buyer than Elio Motors."

    And LA says it is now considered a motorcycle since they are changing the law to allow none helmet use in the Elio.
  15. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    One Commissioner voted against and the other 11 voted for. And you choose to point out that one was opposed.
    Negative Nelly.

    I'd say the 11 to one vote is a positive. Majority rule and all that.
  16. nbsdave

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    does anyone else remember John Delorean and the Irish factory fiasco?
    The Elio seems too good to be true. If it becomes a reality I'd strongly consider having one. I like the idea of the people of Louisiana subsidizing my ride.
    Truly not trying to be negative but it's starting to look/sound like a Nigerian scam (apologies to any Nigerian forum members).
  17. halflive

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    Bad example. Delorean was demolished by the Iron Lady. He would have destroyed the English car industry.
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    I do not think of it that way.
    I remember many many puplic dollrs wasted and gone.
    That is the point to which I refer.
  19. Bar None

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    Call me "Negative Nelly" if you want but ...

    The least expensive plain jane Ural hack is $10,500 +.
    The Harley trike is $35k +?
    The least expensive Can-Am Spyder RS is $16,699 +

    You gonna buy a Elio with "Keep in mind; your Elio will already be nicely equipped with premium features that are standard. These include A/C, Heat, Power Windows, Power Door Lock, AM/FM Stereo, and more." for $6800?


    From http://www.eliomotors.com/faq/

    "Q. Is Elio a car or a motorcycle?
    According to the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) “Motorcycle” means a motor vehicle with motive power having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground.” So if it is less than four wheels it is a motorcycle. But what do you see when you look at the Elio? Fully enclosed, power windows, wiper blades, steering wheel, gas and brake pedals … you be the judge.

    Q. Can I drive this with my existing license?
    Most states do not require a motorcycle license to operate the vehicle, a regular driver’s license is usually enough. Check with your local Department of Motor Vehicles to be sure."

    Wrong, all states except Alabama require a motorcycle endorsement to operate a motorcycle. Some states like Florida require a three wheel only endorsement if the DL does not have the M endorsement.

    LA is (?) going to change the law so that no helmet is required.
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    And the Honda NC700X 2-wheeler without A/C etc. retails for US$6999 and returns a mere ~70mpg. :confused