The Grand Rally

Discussion in 'Racing' started by HogWild, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. Bluebull2007

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    Scott, this thread is pure torture.

    Earlier in the thread you suggested you would one day later consider opening up the GPS tracks for all. I implore you not to. Seriously, this should be reserved for a select few that you trust in a couple of years it may be closed or ruined.

    One of my other past times is caving, in particular surveying & mapping caves which I guess is why I like rally so much too. Anyway there is a code of secrecy among cavers, the whereabouts of new caves and especially beautiful ones are protected even among cavers. The reason is after a while everyone and his dog wants to do the cave and it gets damaged.

    You are laying out a series of enduro routes that quite large population group would love to get their hands on. No disrespect to the enduro fanatics out there, but just imagine what it could turn into.

    What an amazing, inspiring project. I'm going to try the same thing here in Peru. :deal
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    That same thought has been going through my head after marking a simple 8 mile enduro loop at my local riding place. If I mark it, people will ride it and some spots shouldn't be ridden without the knowhow of riding difficult terrain otherwise the trail will be damaged quickly beyond repair. I have since stopped marking it and now keep it in my head. I don't know if I will ever finish marking it :dunno

    I now understand why mountain singletrack riders in Idaho and Colorado are so sensitive about trail damage. Once its gone...
  3. drc42

    drc42 Rally Dreamer

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    but of course a few key coordinates on a few of the tulips would be nice for when people get lost. Just not for the really cool bits, part of what makes those areas cool is the challenge of finding them.
  4. Bluebull2007

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    I disagree - we don't need crutches - its against the spirit of a rally. If we get lost then we deserve to get lost. Thats why the Spot was developed. Just think of the fun you would have cutting a new route for Scott! :lol3
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  6. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    What? I already posted GPS tracks. Just look at this image that I posted earlier. Those are GPS tracks! With your Google Earth skills, you should be able to figure out exactly where those tracks are and go ride them without me even knowing! I'm fulfilling my GPS tracks promise right here!
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    To do the mapping, do you record every twist and turn in those caves with your GPS? :lol3


    Last I heard you were laying out rally routes in South Africa. What's the compass heading from there to your Peru tracks, so we can do a short little HP to link them together?

    Are you volunteering to be the first to test the roadbook? I guess if there's a mistake, at least we won't have to listen to you bitching about it!

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  7. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Russ and I just knocked out 4 days and another 700 miles of prerunning. These stages were in the Kanab and Jacob Lake region, mostly North of the Grand Canyon North Rim.

    We had a bit of rain and hale on the first day, but it was great after that. This was a pretty tough prerun, with several really gnarly up hills and down hills, a full day of sand, some challenging navigation, and lots of locked gates and No Trespassing signs. We found our way through or around all that, resulting in a couple more great and varied stages.

    A great wash, with a surprise half way through. We took a quick break in the shade:
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    Overlooking the Grand Canyon:
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    As if the nav wasn't challenging enough, we tested our balancing skills:
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    Russ preparing the next days roadbook:
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    From a mesa overlooking the Grand Canyon in the distance:
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    And a bit of slow action with Russ riding the rocks: VIDEO
  8. Bluebull2007

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    Wow, that looks really awesome. :thumb

    The navigation in the video is going to be hellish to get right. :gerg

    Curious about the surprise in the canyon.
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  11. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    That was an HP section, so just follow a compass heading. Unfortunately a fence blocked our path just over the hill, so we had to cut it out (that part of the route, not the fence). In the prerunning we get to see all kinds of cool and crazy stuff that gets cut out of the final route due to one problem or another. So, the preruns are actually more of an adventure and often more fun than running the route after it's all completed.

    It's not a good surprise. But when I find something that's a pain in the ass, I try to find more of it! Some of the washes turn into rocky hell, while others are beautiful smooth flat sand. This one was easy getting into and hard to get out of. When you go down a wash that feeds into the Grand Canyon, the walls get higher and steeper the further down you go. :evil
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  14. BigBearJoe

    BigBearJoe Been here awhile

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    Thankfully, I just stumbled across this thread today. A few comments…

    1. Oh my God Scott, you are such a massive geek! But I love you for it!

    2. I curse you for living my fantasy life!

    3. How do you know all of these routes want raised the ire of the various land managers?

    4. Although it seems selfish, I would agree with the "don't distribute this to the masses" perspective.

    5. Did I mention you're living my fantasy life?

    6. Please don't EVER crash with that navigation system mounted on your bike!

    7. I'm guessing it's really impractical to pre-ride in the rain. Or is the paper plastic covered/laminated for dry erase markers?

    And I'm sure I'm forgetting other comments.

    FANTASTIC JOB!

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    if its raingin down there, they're probably too busy dancing naked in it to ride, anyway.

    At least, I would.
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    AS long as you don't crash again...:deal :1drink
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    Deal! I have been trying not to race with camping gear on, it works much better! :freaky
  18. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    I know, which is why I put the effort in now, before I can't do it anymore. It was lots of fun a few years ago when I was doing the rally training routes in the Mojave Desert region. But the Indian country had been calling me since my college years, and I finally got back out there with this project. Once I rediscovered that region, a whole new world of dual-sport opened up. Some of the pictures are super cool, but getting to all these crazy off-beat places, via the "tough" way is more fun than I can describe. It's pretty hard-core, but for those that can make it out on a few of these routes, it will surely be an amazing experience!

    The rain wasn’t too bad, and most of that day was sandy, so it actually made the riding easier. We did hit mud late in the day, which was pretty bad. We stopped at the car wash on the way back to the hotel and cleaned up for the next three days of sun. The roadbook is sealed from the rain, so no problem with that.

    On the last day I crashed in the sand probably 6 times. Fortunately none we bad, and minimal damage to the bike and me.

    I used all three of my voice recorders (used for taking notes along the route, where route or roadbook problems were discovered). At one time or another, each failed, but it looks like I didn’t loose any data. Redundant redundancy wins again and again! On this trip, we seemed to have a lot more route blockages than usual (mostly closed Paiute Indian land). My 76CSx GPS and Holux GPS recorder worked fine. The rain caused some problems for our radios. I need a new battery in the bike, and an ICO that doesn’t reset every time I start the bike with a low battery. I need to make sure my extra gas bottle on the bike has gas in it BEFORE I run the main tanks dry! I need to remember to fill my camelback, especially before the toughest day! Other than that stuff, things went pretty well.

    There will probably be a couple of stages that are let out to the masses, but the majority will be handled something like DVR. If you know what DVR is, then you’re probably in, otherwise study up on the R in DVR, and get an ICO and MD or F2R from RMS.
  19. Yellow Pig

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    Nice! :clap
  20. BigBearJoe

    BigBearJoe Been here awhile

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    You are obviously a tried and true bona fide ADV guru but your statements above still make me wonder if you're just not getting it. Getting lost, coming across unexpected obstacles, locked gates, no trespassing signs, deteriorating weather, etc. etc. all IMPROVE the experience, not lesson it! Geez don't you get that!:D