The Great DualSport Tire Shootout!

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by bgoodsoil, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. StephenB

    StephenB G(/)S ... what else!

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    That might be true, but value for money sux! At least in Canada where you easily pay C$400 for a set.
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  2. wolfy317

    wolfy317 Addicted to BMW

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    So I'm having a hard time finding a good front 50/50 for a 19" rim, anybody have any suggestions? I'm not looking to spend too much money.

    Actual sizing on the bike now is 3.25 19.
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  3. Airhead Wrangler

    Airhead Wrangler Long timer

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    Seen the MEFO explorers? They're a little spendy up front, but all reports say they last a LONG time.

    http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/4811/153/
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  4. wolfy317

    wolfy317 Addicted to BMW

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    Hmm....I'll have to look at those. Anyone know if a 2.75 19 will fit the 75/5 front rim?

    I'm not really sure about tire sizes....i've always just ordered what was on it.
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  5. Beemerboff

    Beemerboff Long timer

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    Mitas do a 70/30 E 08 in 19" and they work OK for me . Dont worry to much about the width of the tire as it is the width of the rim which usually sets the tire on rim size.

    On my R75 A 120 rear ends up 1 mm wider than a 110.
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  6. Rucksta

    Rucksta SS Blowhard

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    Rob I was a fan of Metzlers Enduro in Type 1, 2 & 3 incarnations for years and years (well not so much the 3s).
    I still think they're great but so many other options are available.

    Try a Mitas E07 for road / dirt road
    Try the E09 if you want to get even dirtier but still like (some) on road performance. Both will beat an Enduro 1 or 2 on wet dirt with the E07 edging out the Enduro 3 in mud and the E09 being way superior in mud and rocks.

    VRubber the perenial scooter tyre manufacturer has some 18 & 21 inch offerings that perform at least as well as the Enduro 1 & 2s on road and walk away from them down a dirt road. There is even a road sticky MT21 like knobby in the range.

    Remember the Michilin T61s which also came as standard? A T63 is almost a direct replacement with beter resistance to knob shearing over hard ground (and bitumen) than the older technology ever was and has wear characteristics and the speed rating equivalent to an Enduro 1 or 2. The continentaL TKC 80 is similar and has its own followers.

    In the other direction try a road tyre like a Bridgestone BT45 in 21 90/90 & 18 120/80 Obviously better on the road than a dual purpose tyre but suprisingly good on well formed dirt roads - do not enter the forest.

    Oposite end again Bridgestone ED11/12 combo for a hard wearing Competion Enduro type tyre that sticks to bitumen and even if it isn't rated for Highway use it will outrun a Metzler Enduro 1,2 or 3 in the top end as the Enduro ain't that great much above 160km/h (100mph) and the ED11/12 will run to 200kp/h without complaining - wear rapidly yes complain no.


    Yes the Metzler is a nice balance of on off road, quiet running, good handling (esp wet bitumen) with moderately good wear at a price point that is moderatly atractive. There is even a fairly fresh set in my shed. They no longer live on the spare rims but reside in the stack next to the BT45s

    I know this subject is like oil and everyone has their own favorites (some guys actually like Pirrelli MT21s on a G/S) but I think there have been some advances in MC tyres in the last 30 years and the Metzler Enduro whilst still a contender is no longer the hands down favorite "best all round tyre for a G/S" .
    My definition of all round has expanded to include more gnarly terrain than it did when the Enduro1 & 2 were released. I think that is more a reflection of real estate development reforming & sealing what were previously dirt roads forcing me futher into the "bad lands" to get my kicks.

    Cheers
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  7. Beemerboff

    Beemerboff Long timer

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    I tried Enduro 3s and went straight through the first wet roundabout - I would put the wet grip at 40 % of a E08.

    And I wouldnt put 45 s on a wheelbarrow - I tossed a set after 2000 k s

    However I wear out 2 fronts to one rear so I probably ask more of my fronts than most folks.
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  8. Rucksta

    Rucksta SS Blowhard

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    I hear what you're saying about the Enduro 3s and wet bitumen. I don't have to imagine the situation I have my own episode in memory.

    What was the issue you had with BT45s and how do you wear out 2 fronts to one rear of any tyre type? I'm 3 rears to one front. 2500ks rear, 7500ks front on average.

    Curious
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  9. Beemerboff

    Beemerboff Long timer

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    Most of my riding is on spray / chip seal goat tracks through the hills behind Adelaide. The pavent is abrasive on tires and not much grip at the same time.

    But quite predictable , so a little wash out is normal , and front end grip becomes the determinant of cornering speed.

    Then style comes into it - we have a 100km / hr state limit and a few good bike roads are 80 km so to keep things interesting I try to sit at the legal limit and carve a continous line through each set of corners without backing off or accelerating - think 125 GP - so not much wear for the rear and pushing the front to the limit.

    Last weekend on the R100 GS I passed and outran a guy on a Triumph 675 speed triple down a twisty canyon , so I think I am pushing the front just as far as it will go.

    Didnt like the 45s - just not my tire. Grip, turn in , feel, feedback and compliance just didnt suit me, the bike or the roads I ride on, and they scalloped from the start and felt off by 2000km.

    Might be OK on a asphalt highway tourer but not on a back road scratcher IMHO.
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  10. Rucksta

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    Thanks Beemerboff

    I get the idea now.

    Totaly different riding style and road conditions can produce totaly differrent opinions on what works and what doesn't.

    How will we ever get to a consensus on the best all time Dual Sport Tyre?:lol3
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  11. Beemerboff

    Beemerboff Long timer

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    I should have said bitumen riding - I do probably 70/30 on the GS, with the 30% on unsealed rubble roads/forest tracks, and the E08s cope with that better than the alternatives
    The VFR prefers Pilot powers and I wear them out a bit more evenly, but it gets the highway cruising and interstate runs.
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  12. Gimmeslack

    Gimmeslack furthur

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    Enduro 3 rear after about 3k of 40/60 gravel/pavement, mostly 2-up.

    Now the question is whether I change it out before upcoming (mostly pavement) 400-500 mi trip, or finish it off :dunno What'yall think?


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  13. Rucksta

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    Chuck it
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  14. Gimmeslack

    Gimmeslack furthur

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    Yeah, i figured... just lazy and too much to do before weekend.:baldy

    I'm going to run one more Enduro 3 (since front is only about 50% worn) and then I'm trying TKC's. Funny, most of what we ride will go ok on a more street oriented tire, but i'm always happy for a little more knob when I hit a patch of crap. :dunno
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  15. StephenB

    StephenB G(/)S ... what else!

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    That's the problem with Enduro 3: expensive and not very long lasting. I had the same experience. A $55 Kenda 270 does the same (or better) on gravel, just isn't as good on the road.
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  16. WooPig

    WooPig Gravel Traveler

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    I've just reminded myself of another reason I love TKCs on my GS - they're so easy to mount. A little lube, keep it centered in the rim, and presto. The rear fell in so easily I checked three times to be sure I didn't have the wrong size!
    I guess I remembered a weakness too though. They get loud when they're worn. The new ones are always strikingly quieter.
    I'm outta here. In search of loose terrain.
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  17. KYkid

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    There must be something wrong with me. I just got 6500 miles out of a set of Enduro 3s and they didn't look much worse than the picture above. I use this bike mostly on the pavement(if I want to get dirty I hop on the KTM) with an occasional trip down a dirt or gravel road. I do agree that the price is outrageous which prompted me to buy a set of Avon Gripsters. So far (1200 miles) the gripsters suck. They wander and weave and refuse to hold a line whether straight or cornering. Everything that I have read on these tires is positive but I haven't seen it yet. I thought these tires would be perfect for what I use this bike for.
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  18. KYkid

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    Do they make those Mofos tubeless, they sure look yummy.
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  19. datchew

    datchew Don't buy from Brad

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    I'm really interested in those IRC GP-1's. They come in GS sizes (metric equiv) and they are well spoken of in the KLR and thumper circles.

    I don't know if they're tubeless though. I don't think I'd want them if they're tube-type only.

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  20. sponge315

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    Since the DUROs were almost like free cheap. I bought 2 rears and one front for my R100GS Mounted up the first set without tubes. Front is holding up Ok but the rear developed crackes between the Knobs on my first 1K trip. (mostly interstate some back road). I watched it and but didn't change it for about 2K more miles. When it statred to lose big enough pieces of rubber to see belts I changed it.
    Second tire I added a tube. (they are tube type, although the first tire didn't lose air) This tire cracked and lost whole knobes on my first trip. I do live in southern nevada and the temp was around 110 F. I suspect that Duro just isn't able to handle higher temps. Adding the tube just made it worse. so we will try something else.
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