The Honda XL1000V thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Two Plugs, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. Two Plugs

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    Nice classic, however… We are talking about modern big trail bikes here... Not antiques... Is this a serious posting? I only see a custom on the pic…
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  2. xlcr

    xlcr Stop being a dick, dick.

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    That was modern in 1958.

    900cc isn't big enough?

    I guess you have to ride around on the street masquerading as Ricky Carmichael to be taken seriously. Anyone riding dirt back then is merely a poser since most of the roads were dirt.
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  3. Two Plugs

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    Seriously:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    It is a nice classic. But it still is a chopper/custom, despite the heritage and the front fork covers. But it is certainly NOT a big trail bike. In those days, every one was riding off-road - as mentioned by you - and in that light you could see a Czech build 350cc Jawa, a German build 350cc DKW or a old Moto Guzzi as better (= less weight and better cornering as a Harley) alternatives. Especially in those days.<o:p></o:p>
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    What I call a classic big trail bike? Well... certainly not a single 'thumper' - that are dirt bikes which are an entirely other category. A big trail bike may not be able to get as far in the dirt as a dirt bike, but would combine comfort and long distance riding an easy piece of cake - with the manoeuvrability of a dirt bike, and the comfort of a touring bike. The only Harley which comes close to that isn't a Harley, but a Buell.
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    In my modest opinion there is only one bike who started the big trail bike scene, and that was the late 70-ties BMW R80GS.<o:p></o:p>
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  4. Old fart

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    Waddabout a Triumph Tiger? The one they rode in the ISDT.:evil
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  5. Two Plugs

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    Whats ISDT?

    The first Tiger (and the best...) I would call a Big Trail is the MK1 tripple 900 from the late 90-ties; which was actually one of my favorites before the introduction of the Varadero in 1998. But we are talking about the Varadero here.

    If you are revering to the very first tiger (with the twin engine) from (I Guess?) the late 60-ties: Nope. I would call that one a nice example of a scrambler, but not a big trail bike.
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  6. xlcr

    xlcr Stop being a dick, dick.

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  7. Old fart

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    The International Six Day Trial.

    xlcr, that big Mal?
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  8. xlcr

    xlcr Stop being a dick, dick.

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    Dunno. I was just searching for a picture and that was all I could come up with.

    I couldn't find a pic of the version that the local dealer used to ride in the desert - which was closer to a B50MX than a B50T. (No lights. Short fender. High pipes instead of that ugly-ass muffler.)
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  9. Old fart

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    I'm sure that's Malcom Smiff on a Triumph Trohpy Trail.
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  10. minkyhead

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    hi two plugs ive been riding the dl 1000 and the mk 1 vara back to back now for eighteen months having done around 9000 on each bike ....

    i bought them with the money from a disaterous affair with a 1200 gs .....
    man that bike was so unreliable .........

    first thing to say is the vara is a great touring bike and will corner respecably well except when it gets really tight ....and ridden for what its designed for its a cracking bike mines a 02 and nothing has gone wrong and it cost nothing but oil and filters to keep running .....

    the strom takes a little work to get right the front tends to fell vauge on standard tyres [badwings ] and does suffer from ground clearence problems ...
    raising links on the rear and fitting road attacks made a huge difference to the bike in corners and is / was much easier to change direction than the vara ...the vara is very heavy and stable but when it comes to more spirited riding the strom will come back with the stick betwen its teeth first every time .......

    im afraid it is a more exiciting bike to ride engine......ehaust note .... corners ..it has more urgency and poise ... ...erganomics are nothing short of exalent ...
    if you fit madstat brackets to a strom with a givi screen ....it is without doubt the most protective and quiet ride out there and i include the 12 grand electric screen jobbies
    as i say it need reserch and a bit of thought the vara sceens have never come close to that of this set up and ive tried belive me .......it is important to me as i dont do holidays without my bike ...and ride all year round whatever the weather ...as i think do you ..

    http://www.jackphelps.com/vstrom/vstrom650madstad.htm

    ..the stadard vara springs were binned for hypro which improved handling but sacrificed alittle ride quality the faster you go the more they make sense .....

    to be honest the better bike than both of them for day to day use is the ............650 strom which i have recently bought to use for work
    the sv engine is a absalute peach
    i cant tell you how impressed i am with it for next to no money 5 months old its stunning value

    out of the big vs the strom is easier to use in town the vara really doesnt like it at all and will protest much more at any given speed under 50 than the other two it will require one gear lower than the strom to stop it shaking itself to pieces .....having said that when its used as intended its a peach ....a little thirsty though .....
    i like my vara but with the lille strom now used for comuting [57 mpg without thinking]i have to let one go ...........

    im afraid its got to be the vara ....i really like it ...its like a big slobbery dog faithful and likeable but .....it aint going to see ff any burglers

    when if honda get there act together i will be first in the que but like you say 1998 is a long time with just a few farkes a nd fual injection to show its showing its weight ..and its age ....but a very worthy and enjoyable bike

    ive been riding big trailies now for 6 years and have to say that a 2nd hand strom ..with a little know how and minimum mods .......is the biggest bargain in the motorcylcling world

    ps i know that you have been tempted by the dark side ... be patiant and wait for mr honda :ear :lol3

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    the 650 strom is a very surprising bike .....please dont knock it till youve ridden one ???

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  11. minkyhead

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    not a bad bike in fairness a little qurky
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    total financial and relability disaster never again ...

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  12. dutchie

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    ....the FI Varadero isnt thirsty anymore, doesn't have soft suspension anymore.

    The carb Dero was written to pieces bij European journalists because of the soggy suspension and its thirst. Two things that can be remedied fairly easiliy. Still it was far better than the 11XX GS. It just wasn't sexy enough to write something about and sell the magazines.

    I have a FI varadero now(bought new, 35K km now), after two 1150 GS. Love it, fast enough , comfy, stone reliable. All the things the 1150s were not. It is a very good touring bike, but you have to be a tall guy to enjoy it as it is heavy and its COG is relatively high up.

    Go to a dealer, take it for a ride and find out for yourself.

    Every now and then, I read through the Dutch GS-forum...and am completely stunned by all the horror stories concerning reliability. And they're not just stories, I know from experience.
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  13. Two Plugs

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    Hmmm... Regarding your first line above... do you know anything which I don't know? :evil

    You will never hear me knockin' down on the little Vstrom 650, because... I have ridden it in the Belgian Ardennes and I was very much surprised by everything. In fact, I NEVER had the idea that I was riding a 'little' 650 - which is obvious, since the 650 shares it frame and architecture with the DL1000V.

    I do not agree with you that the Dero is not/less suitable in city traffic though. I use it like the Transalp (but I have to admit that I am 100 kg heavy and 6,8 ft tall... Which helps on any big, heavy bike...).

    And yes, I am also very much impressed by the new Transalp 700. And the Beemer F800? Nàh, its a Beemer and they are famous for braking down despite the Long Way Around and the Long Way Down (where they had to replace the suspension and the complete frame...) And above that... that silly BMW 'Canbus' wiring system won't allow you to fit anything else as (overpriced) original BMW accessories...

    PS Minkyhead... Do we know each other? Mr. Mink perhaps?

    CU,
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  14. TCBronson

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    Anybody have suggestions on how to buy a 2008 Varadero in Canada and bring it back home to Arkansas?
    Thanks, Tom
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  15. Two Plugs

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    Just to bring up this topic again... :evil

    I know from a few Americans who did the trick. Trey Hall and Tim Kelly (haven't got a clue where they are living, but Trey bought his 2nd Varadero last spring during the 9th. Varadero International Meeting in the UK to bring it with him back to the States...

    You could try to contact them either through the Varadero Mailinglist or the International Varaderoforum at http://www.varadero-international.com

    It is possible! Keep us posted on the progress.
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  16. BajaRat

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    Here's mine.... A 2003 year model.

    I keep it in Germany. It is a great long distance touring bike that I can drag the pegs on when I flog it. It has been a great bike for rides throughout Europe.

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  17. Two Plugs

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    Have seen the 2008 Varadero on the Utrecht show. It just looks great in Orange!
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  18. Stromdog

    Stromdog Howl at the Moon

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    But not the Strom.
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  19. DBrentMiller

    DBrentMiller Sojourn Chronicles

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    The last time I talked with Trey, he had gotten the Vara to the states, and registered in Tennessee. It took about two months of shipping and customs. Before he got the bike home. I interviewed him for my web site. Here's the post and conversation: http://www.sojournchronicles.com/2007/08/03/a-conversation-with-trey-hall-varadero-owner/

    Brent
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  20. wpbarlow

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    Never saw a CapoNord, eh?:D

    Pretty much everything you say about the Varadero describes the Capo; but the Capo is better looking :D And available in the states. And pretty much as well built and reliable as a Honda (and I'm a big Honda fan in these regards). Dealer coverage is another issue of course, but fortunately the bike's reliability doesn't usually make that important.

    Like the big V, the biggest complaint with the Capo is the size/weight when the going gets rough and tough.

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