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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Jurgen, Mar 2, 2010.
A couple of interesting references in this blurb about the local RV show this coming weekend:
Going to look at a Livin' Light Camplight 16 on Saturday. We've always been tent campers, but the wife has decided she wants a bed. What my baby wants, my baby gets.
Anyone have any insight for a n00b? The one we're looking at is a used 2013 model, so hopefully it will be in really good shape. I guess I'll look at the usual things that would go wrong on a boat with plumbing and electrical systems, plus axles, corrosion, signs of damage, etc... At least there is no wood to rot on these
Anyway, I'll take some pictures for y'all.
They are well made. I've got a VRV. Unless it was abused, you should be in good shape.
Saw a homebuilt tear drop on the side of the highway today.
Missing the axle.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
The Dub Box is made right here in OC, one of these days I wanna go by and take some pics of their operation.
Don't know anything about that model, but do know that my wife loves me even MORE since we bought our little 15ft Jayco after tenting it for over 20yrs.
It's her little "play house"
Yeah, I can see that coming already. We haven't even looked at the thing yet and she's talking about dishes.
Been there done that and have the matching camping t-shirt.
Skip the toy hauler unless she rides too. :O
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My wife had fun outfitting the Raindrop - sheets and comforter cover/pillow cases had to match...dishes we had but getting all the pieces to fit together - she did a great job that thing travels and everything stays in place even on quite rough roads..
Hey, it's worth it to have it right and with all it's own hardware we never have to do anything but add food and water to go. It's so easy.
what do you guys think of hybrids?
We bought an '04 R-Vision (21'?) last year. Nice enough rig, and has decent room when opened out. Also usable in a minimalist sort of way when closed (like when you get to the campground in the middle of a storm, or bears have just eaten the last two tent campers in the area).
The kid is 15, so he and a buddy occasionally go with us; but in a couple of years when he's busier or less interested in family time, I think we'll either want something smaller, or maybe something with just hard sides. The tent ends mean that for security, weather protection, bears, etc. it's not a great deal different from a big pop-up; plus the canvas needs maintenance and perhaps eventual replacement.
On the other hand, it does have a 'full' kitchen with stovetop, micro, oven and fridge; and a bath that's fine for skinny people who don't need much hot water to get clean. I shit and shower in the campground facilities, because to do otherwise would not be appreciated. The flip side of the fold-out tent ends is that with the windows unzipped, you get terrific ventilation in warm weather and for sleeping.
Towing: Although it's technically not as big or heavy as a hard side with similar accommodations, what kills your gas mileage is the frontal area. At 8X8, it's no more aerodynamic than a longer trailer. Pretty much pushing two sheets of plywood down the road. We have an '04 Silverado with the 5.3, which gets 15-16 on the highway, 12-13 in town, and 9-10 pulling. My FIL's '11 F150 V-6 gets in the high teens or better in normal driving, but 9-10 towing his 30' ultralight hitch-pull camper. I suspect that either truck, pulling either camper, will get 9-10 mpg.
Similar feelings here: You get the worst of both worlds...
The mileage penalty of a hard-sided trailer
The weather/security hassles of a pop-up.
I own a pop-up.
Pretty much sums it up. Not too many popups you couldn't pull with a minivan or small SUV if you had to. We had a small (8') popup until someone backed into the yard and took it. Minimal accommodations, but we could hook up in a few minutes and pull it anywhere in the Midwest with pretty much whatever we were driving at the time (Pontiac Vibe, 4-cylinder old-style Odyssey, V-6 Escape....... ). With the hybrid, I wouldn't want to pull it too far with anything less than a 1/2 ton, which would just as easily tow a longer hard-side.
we owned a pop-up for many years, pulled it thousands of miles with a jeep Cherokee I6 auto, it was a nice combo (except the putting it down wet thing), after that we went through the hole motorhome, big TT, truck camper thing.
Now we still have the TC and it does work well for what we do, but I still miss the light weight small campers.......it is a toss up for us whether the TC or the light TT's are the best option.
here is the TC we now have, other than being very heavy we really like it, but like y'all have said, you can tow a light camper with darn near anything.
That's freakin' sweet!
We had one for a few years, it was a 17' single axle with tents on both sides. It worked well for what it was, but it really didn't suit our needs. Here's my problems with it:
- not great for on the road Wallmart type stopovers, which it turns out we do quite a bit. Feels funny to pop out the ends in a parking lot, and it's noisy inside.
- not great in cold weather. Again, it turns out we like winter camping. It's cold and WET in those tent ends. After a cold night with the furnace running almost constantly, it's nearly raining on you from the condensation on the tent ends.
- If you fold it up wet, you have to open it up to dry at home. Not a 'problem', just an inconvenience.
We eventually went to a regular hard sided trailer which suits our needs better. In my case we already owned a one ton van, so weight didn't really matter. To be honest, I get about the same mileage now with our 24' 5000# travel trailer that I did with our 17' 3000# hybrid (about 9mpg towing at 55-60mph, Ford V10).
The biggest upside is the airy feel of the tents. But if we want that, we just put up a tent and sleep outside the trailer.
I'm finding it hard to beat this little combo. A pop up is fun, but there's nothing like being able to pull in late and just going back and crawling in the sack. Or stopping for a bathroom break and having your own bathroom with you. Or just having cold beer on board and not having to stop for ice every day.
I'm getting avg 20 mpg at 55-65 mph in very hilly terrain. Van gets upper 20's not towing. It's no race horse, but it goes. No problems.
When I get a bike across the V of the tongue, I'll be covered. *
Incredible design and only 3 ever made. Beautiful combination of classic teardrop camper blended with a motorcycle trailer. What more do you need?
Designed and built by a Seattle designer in 2002. He only built three of these trailers so the likelihood of you ever seeing another one is very slim.
This trailer is built like a brick house. Steel frame construction with aluminum skin. Fully adjustable air ride suspension. Dump it to load the bike and pump it to go. Has compressor and two tanks on board. Trailer weighs 1600lbs. with a 300lb. tongue weight. Tows like a dream.
It has a pump sink with a 5 gal. tank and a white gas stove inside a metal lined drawer. Lots of storage for dishes and food.
Comes with queen air mattress, pump, a couple of camp chairs and even your own lawn! (small patch of astro turf if you want it)
Pictures hardly do it justice.
No affiliation, just thought it was too cool not to share..
Little/light bike to go with a little/light camper.