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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Lornce, Dec 31, 2009.
That rifle is just beautiful - how'd the shooting go??
It really is, and I'm curious how it shoots, too (though I'm confident it will be fantastic!).
In the meantime, here are some pics of my ugly junk:
1+ I have a 112BT in 308 that will shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yds, right out of the box. These guns are really strong, too.
Interesting! Appreciate the info. How is the quality control vs say Remington?
I think if you took a dozen similar rifles from Savage and Remington and compared group sizes the Savages would come out better. Is that what you mean about QC? If you're talking about cosmetics, Remington may be better. I can't really be sure because rifles, for me, usually fall into the ugly category anyway. I go for things I can use in the field rather than pretty wall hangers.
In my circle of buddies that shoot prairie dogs, all of us shoot Savages save for one older guy that swears by his Remmy's. And I don't blame him; all of his rifles shoot great. But most of them are Remington 40X's and cost what 2 nice Savage varminters do.
Go to a gun store and handle some different rifles, too. Some people don't like the feel of a Savage bolt as it slides home, compared to a Remington. Check out Howa (also it's re-brand - Weatherby Vanguard), too. They need triggers out-of-the box, though. If you want to drop some coin and get a nice rifle, look at Cooper.
There are probably lots off forums out there dedicated to precision rifle shooting. I used to hang out at Sniper Central a little. The guys there had the same taste in rifles I do.
My buddy Jim's rifle on the stand, Doug's on the mat:
Doug with two rattly friends in the foreground:
(They kinda snuck up on him while he was shooting. Turned out they were entangled in "an act of love.")
I just remembered something else; you can change calibers on the Savages as well fairly easily. The bolt face can be swapped out to accommodate different case diameters, so as long as you pick a cartridge that will fit the length action you have, you can switch to quite a few different calibers without smithing. (All the new "short/fats" are probably excepted)
Change barrel, change bolt face, new gun.
Yep, but I've run into bolt/face compatibility issues. Plus you will have to change magazines. Still, it can be done. I prefer to stick with cartridges "in the family". You can still do some fun stuff. My green rifle above started out as a pedestrian .30-06 sporter. It's now a 6mm Rem Ackley Improved long range varmint ventilator.
I'll defer to someone who has actually done it. I started researching the process several years ago, then the motorcycle bug bit and the project got set aside.
How did your accuracy turn out with the swap?
What kind of case life are you getting with the AI?
I am very happy with this gun, It was just a joy to run rounds through.
One of my friends having a go at 100 yards.
Link to the manufacturer
Thanks - gotta get me one, for sure!
I'll admit being a slacker. The accuracy is, um, fine. I've yet to shoot anything but non-AI loads through it. First time I shot it was 800 miles from home in a prairie dog town. A buddy was spotting for me and I got the rifle pretty well sighted in in 5 rounds. He said, "Let me try that thing!", and he shot a dog. I had a ball with it that weekend using various fireforming loads I made up with stuff I just had sitting around. Good bullets, though; heavy Matchkings and A-Max's. I haven't shot it since.
Case life should be better than the parent cartridge as long as I keep the loads a bit below FULL throttle, which I will. I wanted to do an AI for that reason, plus, it's a fast-twist barrel to shoot heavy bullets so I thought I might need the extra "engine" room.
This is the extent of my long range shooting experience:
It's a No. 1 Mk III Enfield in .303 British, all stock as bought from Big 5 for about $80. I was shooting out to 500 yds and was able to hit an oxy acetylene tank hanging out there with some consistency with Iron sights. It was really cool to hear the "pling!" of the bullet strike a couple of seconds after the report of the rifle. You don't necessarily need a high dollar rig to have fun at long ranges. I only wish ammunition was more plentyful for this rifle, I'd shoot it a lot more.
Cooper Montana Varminer 26" .243. Oooooh, yeah.
This is the day I picked it up at Cooper Firearms, incoveniently located a whole 15 minutes from my house. Alas, I bought this for a customer but he sure likes it.
QC with me is how the weapon holds up under normal use. Is there a reason Savage is less expensive than Remington? There are more gunsmiths who use Remington Actions when they build custom long range weapons-why? I'm not trolling here. If I can save a buck buying the weapon, I've got extra cash for optics.
There could be several reasons-Lower labor cost, better price point, whatever. One of the biggest reasons is image-people generally look at Savage and think it couldn't possibly be good. HOWEVER, they are good, darn good! Just as good if not better QC, adjustability in the trigger, ability to change barrels. Also Savages are more accurate out of the box.
Extra bucks for optics, ammo or training....
My 12BVSS shoots just fine. About 1/2" or better at 100 yards.
I'll admit, I also use a Savage for my long range shooting. Not that it is better than the Remington, but I appreciate being able to swap my own barrels and set headspace.
I use a 27" Pacnor barrel in 243 Ack Imp with 87 grain V-max bullets for 1000+ yards. I wish I would have went a little larger, i.e. a 260 Rem or 6.5x284 but I can't complain. It works pretty well as long as the wind is moderate to low.
For the shorter stuff I use 6 PPC, 22-250, or variations of the Hornet.
I do use Remingtons for most varmint and big game hunting, but the Savage does have advantages as stated in previous posts.
Have you tried these folks out for your ammo needs ? Nice gun also.
Sounds like I may have to look more closely at Savage. I'm interested in how the head space is checked when changing out barrels. I'll do some searching.