The Long Range Precision Shooting Thread

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Lornce, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. doc_ricketts

    doc_ricketts Thumper jockey

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    Well, lets gets something going. Here is a picture of my complete benchrest accuracy reloading setup good for .25-.5 minute accuracy at 100 or 200 yds out of my Savage .308s:
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  2. P B G

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    He was a wise man.

    I recently started teaching my girlfriend to shoot using the aformentioned gun.

    Here is the first round fired.

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    And every other round fired is the same. A center hit.

    Pointless teaching other systems before a good ghost ring. Wastes your time and their energy.
  3. HardCase

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    I agree. Maybe that's why the military has used that style of sight.....maybe not a true ghost ring, but a receiver/peep sight so same basic principle, for the past century or longer. Just look 'through' the aperture and forget about it, focus on the front sight, line it up with the target, and bang. Works damned well.....assuming decent eyesight.

    OTOH, my girlfriend doesn't like a peep. For some odd reason, she likes a standard buckhorn iron sight on a rifle. She'd done some shooting and hunting before I knew her, so has acquired some habits and preferences. I tried through several range sessions last year to convince her, and to demonstrate, the error of her ways, but I'm sure you can imagine how that might have gone..... :lol3
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    While I realize that this thread is about precision shooting, and what I am about to discuss is not exactly consistent with that topic, I do feel it is interesting to discuss sights and their applications.

    In any discussion of iron sights the choice is basically between some sort of peep or aperture sight, and an 'open' or buckhorn style sight. I think that most of us will agree that better precision can be had with a peep sight of some sort. However, for dangerous game at close range I believe that the preferred sight is not a scope, and not a peep, not even a ghost ring, but a large front bead, gold or, nowadays, perhaps a fiber optic, and a shallow V rear sight. That is the type that has been used for dangerous African game for more than a century and is probably the best choice. On this continent, I think for a shotgun or rifle being carried as protection against Old Ephraim, a shallow V and a bright visible bead is the optimal combo for close-range snap-shooting.

    Maybe this belongs in the best bear gun thread.....
  5. doc_ricketts

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    For long distance precision shooting, an adjustable peep is the only thing that should be considered. A buckhorn or such is good for hunting, but not for long distance target poking. I shot a Palma gun (as shown above) at 600 yds which had the pricey Palma peep sights on it and got on target, but to do better I would have to have a scope. Of course my eyes are not so hot for open sights.
  6. HardCase

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    For sure. A shallow V and a big bead front is good for about minute-of-elephant-at-20-yards-and-closing accuracy. :lol3
  7. sanjoh

    sanjoh Purveyor of Light

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    Anyone shooting a 7mm-08? Recommended ammo off the shelf?

    Received a Rem 700 in 7-08 for Christmas last year and with hunting season just around the corner figured I better get it sighted in.
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    Don't have a clue, but if you have a 7mm you might be interested in the Fall issue of RIFLE magazine, which is a special issue on 7 millimeters of all kinds.
  9. HardCase

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    I have zero knowledge/experience with the 7-08, but recall that it was real popular for a number of years. A 308 necked down to 7mm ought to be a good shooter, and a very capable hunting round for medium sized game.
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    I'd like to get into long range silhouette shooting. I'm on a wee bit of a budget. What's a good starting point? I was looking at a Sako that comes with a Burris 3-12 power scope. The rig is about 1100$ out of the box. Synthetic stock, stainless barrel. Thoughts? Can I get something cheaper? Calibre?
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    Back when I looked into it (and learned that there really was NO long range silhouette in New England :huh), 20 years ago, the 7-08 was the cartridge to use, mostly because there wasn't much that beat the 7mm, 168 gr Sierra MK bullet. These days I will venture that it still works but with all the development that has gone into 6mm and 6.5s I'd look pretty hard at one of them. Anytime that you can get equal or better ballistics (particularly reduced wind drift since you will learn the drop for each range and it is repeatable) with reduced recoil (less bullet weight) you are ahead. No point in giving anything up (by shooting a less efficient round) before you even get on the firing line. I know that there are some great .22 bullets out there now, not sure that they will drop 500m rams reliably. You will need to check the rules before choosing your rifle, Sako is a great gun but Tikka is right along side and generally less $$$. My (now old) 700VS Remington (.308) has shot 3 1/2" groups @ 600yds in 'out of the box' trim. I might well check out a Savage first, they seem to shoot (at least mine does) and will leave you more money for a scope. Don't downplay the importance of having a great scope (not necessarily the most powerful), quality glass that doesn't cause eye strain is important when you are going to be spending some time looking through it.


    Bruce
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    Bappo Been here awhile

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    The 7mm short mags (remington and winchester), and 284's are taking all the top places at 1000 yd F-class matches, all over the world.

    Not sure what long range silhouette is but prolly the cheapest route into long range is a factory savage in a 26" or 30" barrel flavor with a scope of choice. 6mmbr, 6.5 creedmoor, 260 Remington, and 6.5-284 are all available (along with 308 and 223 ).
  13. doc_ricketts

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    Anybody have experience with a 30BR?
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  15. papalobster

    papalobster With Gusto!

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    Yep. Savage 111 in 7mm-08. I've been shooting the Federal Fusion in 140 grain set to hit about 2 inches high at 100 yards, which gives me a spot on hold out to 300 or so yards.

    Best shot was around 250 yard quartering away, went in behind the ribs, shredded the lungs and I found the bullet perfectly mushroomed under the hide on the far side. So far I had 4 shots and got 4 deer. I think it's a winner.
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    500yards at BIG THICK HEAVY steel animals, the time I did it they use the same as the small bore, the chicken, pig, ram and such.

    When I played the game they had three different classses, fancy smancy rifles and guys that shot them had their name on the back of a vest. Regular hunting rifles with scopes and as issued military rifles.

    I would say if the guy that posted up the question can find out what classes they have if they have more than one, then you can get into it for as cheap as a $99 mosin 91/30......I shot a Arasaka type 99 and while I sucked I did have a great time and hit a few animals....and it was luck.

    It is a lot of fun....I am not sure if it is all like this but unless you just want to shoot the center fire rifle you can always do the small bore version with a .22, with that it was the same thing....guys with $3000 german 22 rifles with their name on the back and those with the bone stock 10/22. A scope is going to be something you are going to want tho...oh and it is great fun to beat the socks off of them using an off the shelf gun.
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    papalobster With Gusto!

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    I took the clan out shooting last 2 weekends, The little guy and the missus got to go yesterday. First time she got to shoot the M12 from the bench. Strong cross wind, but she did manage to squeak the 3 shot group down to 1/2" or so.

    She's a way better rifle shot than me, but I can smoke her with the handguns! I was running my T/C in at a little over an inch with my 7x30 Waters.
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    That is one of the 'things' about shooting that sport, it is intended to keep it realistic (From what I have read, the sport began in the South West and would involve the 'guest of honor' (otherwise known as the dinner) for a barbeque, being tethered at some distance from the BBQ pit and participants would take turns trying to shoot it. This was in the days when meat did NOT come from markets). Those targets, particularly the 500 yd/m rams are heavy. Hitting them doesn't count for anything, you have to knock it over to get a point. You could shoot one all day long with a .223, it isn't going down.
    That is what made the 7-08 the number one choice when it came out, that SMK 168 had the best BC for hitting at range with enough mass to drop the rams and less recoil than the originally used 30's.
    Back then there were no great 6 or 6.5 bullets for long range shooting, today's bullets (and cartridges) would make hitting easier without beating you up with recoil. I just haven't read or heard anything as to whether or not they can reliably knock those rams down.
    No one shoots full sized shilouette here in New England, we have some ranges that are long enough but it requires too much width to have several banks of targets so that a number of competitors could shoot side by side. I think that I would have loved the game had it been available here, since it is not we don't hear as much about it in this part of the country.


    Bruce
  19. Signal

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    Last Sat we started shooting my 1937 mosin out to 5-600 yrds, the open sights with the factory slide/yardage. Was almost dead on for distance :deal. really impressed.

    I'm not sure the mosin would shoot tight, neat groups at 300m, but for the intended purpose (man size target at medium range in large numbers), I wouldnt want to be on the other end.

    For the hundred bucks, it's a hoot
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    Some of those rifles are VERY good, but I think it is a luck of the draw type thing.....just depends on how Olga cleaned and packed the thing up before it was stored in a cave somewhere in the soviet union. I have 3 91/30's one hex, one round, and one sniper repro....they all shoot well enough to hit in a torso sized target.


    With the animals some of them are a pretty good size....and the guy above is right you have to knock it over....ours sat on a bit of wood that looked like part of a RR tie only about twice as wide.

    That is one thing I liked about this game vs. high power the black rifle group need not apply. The arasaka did knock down the animals, but I think I did get lucky...you could hear the hits on others. Next time I get to do it I think I will try the MAS 36 or 98k....I just like shooting the old military rifles.