The "LONG TERM" WaspWorks Super Tenere, in detail and the evolution - Part 2

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Wasp, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

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    Were you going with polished or anodized finish for the guards?

    They look excellent in your drawings.
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  2. ZZ4Blazer

    ZZ4Blazer Been here awhile

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    Bit off topic, but where do you get your Kaiser plate from??
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  3. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    wow what a sight,,,it's like cleansing the blackboard for the next step in the ...to be announced

    but that clean space awaits something..like einstein once said:: ''CHANCE favors the prepared mind''' know abot that territory:wink:

    now,,FYI there's apackage about to be shipped with delicacies from the high mountain ranges where we ludites range ...

    look folks,,the Waspman has pre-pared the space for the appropriate badge of courage..TBA....

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  4. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    i'll find ot and relay the results

    hey,i just ''own the business''
    in your dreams:wink:

    woody
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  5. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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  6. Wasp

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  7. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    check it out ,,,

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    gotcha...

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  8. Wasp

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    I am stoked...:thumb

    It seems like I have been playing around with the 21" front wheel set up for ages now, and all I have managed (until Sunday gone) was road mileage.
    That alone has been reassurance enough that the 21" front wheel was the way for me - But the weekend ride really sealed the deal.

    The Hills Forest area of Perth has been really dry this summer. All of Western Australia has for that matter as it has been just too dusty and with absolutely no tractability it was just not worth getting out in the dirt.
    We have been hanging out for the first good soaking rains to penetrate the soil to offer up some semblance of traction, and it happened on Saturday night:clap.

    The dirt bike gods were smiling down on us as it pissed down through the entire evening, to a point where they were probably a little too generous with over 40mm dumped on the Hills..

    Dust was no problem - Traction was no problem, as long as you stayed out of the mud, which on a number of occasions we could not avoid.

    At one stage we were committed to a trail that led along the southern side of our major water catchment reservoir.
    We had traveled about 4 or 5kms right along side the waterline riding on reasonably compacted rocky/riversand type surface when the trail was cut off by the waterline lapping against a sheer rock wall.

    The only way out was back the same distance, or, up a muddy 45+deg slope about 10meters high that then hooked off to the right into the unknown.

    In normal conditions you probably wouldn't think twice about this challenge and head straight up there, but I could see from the bottom that there were 3 or 4 tree roots running down and across the washout that would surely kick the arse of the bike around.

    I sent my trusty brother up on a recon mission aboard his equally trust 450KTM first. He breazed straight up (as expected) until he hit the last of the diagonal tree roots which kick the back wheel into a rut. This slowed his pace for no more than 15seconds as he stood up and the back wheel popped out of the hole spinning and clawing for traction.

    I then sent our mate up onboard his Husky 450 (all 104kgs of it:puke1) with clear pointed instructions of following this line, then that line, and up there... He followed my instructions to the "T" and arrived successfully at the top with hardly a wheel spin.
    "That's the line" I convinced myself, temporarily forgetting I was astride a machine of similar weight, width, and size as Boeing777:cry. With my eye's on the prescribed line, and plenty of run-up I followed the Husky's wheel track's. 3/4's of the way up I was just about to punch the air like a winner when the back wheel hit the top tree root and predictably slid sideways finding the same rut (now churned up by my brother) bringing me to a standstill and laying the bike on its right side wanting to slide back down the hill.
    Thankfully the bro and mate were waiting to catch the bike in anticipation and it didnt go too far backward.

    I dont even want to go into detail about how F#@king hard it is to push a stuck-in-a-rut 260kg F#@king bike up a slippery muddy 45 de-F#@king-grees slope, only to find the back tire is blocked up with the aforementioned F#@king mud, then to find that the next 30meters (although not as steep) is just as F#@king muddy and there is no way to ride up so we had to push the heavy F#@ker up there as well..... :puke1

    Suffice to say, I was rooted after that and took a 5 minute brake just deep breathing (read gasping) trying to fend of a heart attack.

    I was going to walk back down the hill a get a pic of the killer hill that nearly claimed me so that I could show you guys what not to attempt, but my legs (and lung's) didnt agree, and I can distinctly remember muttering in my dying breath "F#@k the pics, let the forum guys work it out for them selves":rofl

    Any wonder there was no traction to be had - The front tire was just as bad, so there was no traction, and no steering:cry - And this is after most of the mud was spun of the back tire onto the two pushers:D...:
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    Anyway - on to the story about the feel of the 21" wheel.

    Most of the days ride was on Jeep trails - some sandy, and some gravel/rocky with a goodly amount of invisible snotmud. Thats the shit that you cant see but the whole bike just slides sideways like there is absolutely no steering as the mud instantly wraps like a blanket around your tires..:huh
    Like i said though, most of the ride was normal as long as you stay away from the mud. In these times the steering on offer from the 21" wheel is just on another level again from what I was previously used to.

    Those that have been following this thread will remember that I fitted a 3/4 worn old relic of a trail tire on the new Woody's Wheel Works rim as soon as it arrived. Well I went out to play in the mud and dirt on that tire this weekend, but I must say,,, As bad as the tire was, it still offered more directional control in the worst conditions than I ever had on the 19" wheel in the best conditions... It goes where you point it (mud blanketing excluded) and is not distracted from MY chosen lines anywhere near the likes of the smaller wheel with the fat tires.
    I could positively feel the suspension working more compliant.
    Soft/wet sand and deep "between the 4WD wheel tracks" gravel was as easy to ride and steer as flat hard pack was on the smaller wheel.

    This configuration is an absolute keeper and I am really looking forward to testing the new 18" rear in combination with the 21" front, and I WILL get new tires too.:lol3.

    All in all a really great day out - Especially lunch...:clap
    It was after the stuck on the mud hill experience that it started absolutely bucketing down so we decided that the right thing to do was head for the nearest Pub (Weir Hotel) about 12kms away.
    We rocked up at the hotel after ridding in the heaviest rain I have ever been aboard a bike in and proceeded to get stuck into a hearty feed of fish and chips while we dried off.
    Unfortunately (or thankfully) I did not take my DSLR along on this ride and only had my cellphone to get at least one pic (with the mud above), but by the time we got to the Pub the bikes were almost clean from the torrential rain we rode through to get there.

    No damage (apart from a scuff) to the right hand side from the slide down the hill:
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    Ohh,,, The high front guard was a godsend and is definitely a permanent part of my gig from now on.
    There was another team of guys out in the same area on Sunday and they have done a ride report in the Aussie
    section: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18569075&postcount=4836
    This is one of their pics of the mud blanket on the tires.
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  9. bully1

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    Maaaaaate what can I say, sorry I missed it, would have been a change having to push the s10 out and not the old Silver pig, still if I'd been there I would have been on the 510 and just covered you in mud ( again ):lol3
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  10. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Nice shake down ride! :thumb
    I'd be interested to hear how the "new" bike compares to stock on the highway. It would be interesting to do a Back To Back ride on a stock bike comparing with your bike, riding a twisty road at speed.

    Now do the same Back To Back comparo OFF ROAD.

    Getting geometry balance right can sometimes be elusive. Riding against a stock bike could be a good way to confirm which way you're going.

    Some friends did conversions to Super Moto some years ago using Honda XR650R and DR650. (adding wide, 17" wheels/tires, suspension pieces et al) Lots of time and money put in. Both went back to stock configuration after a year or so of fiddling. They sited poor handling (with Super Moto set up) as the reason.

    Cheers, beautiful project.
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  11. Wasp

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    As I mentioned on the previous page - Woody was sending (now arrived:clap) me some shiney new SILVER Woody's Wheel Work's super duty wheels for the WASPmobile... An upgrade from the non ABS/TCS wheels I first had, these are now 21" x 1.85" dual disc ABS and TCS compatible front, and OEM hub (therefore ABS/TCS compatible 18" x 2.5" rear. .

    The change from the OEM wheels is simple and takes around 40mins combined.
    The front is set up with KTM disc's already installed, and and I need to use the original encoder ring from the 19" OEM + the ABS backing plate during swap over.
    The rear utilizes the OEM disc and encoder ring at swap over.

    I opted for silver because:
    1/ I've never really liked the look of black wheels on my bikes.
    2/ No one else has a blue S10 with silver wheels:evil - Who knows, maybe it'll start a new trend..

    I have tested the 21" wheel both on-road and off-road AND I LOVE IT..!!!! so I have really been hanging out to install and trial the slimmer but bigger diameter 18" rear wheel.
    In theory it should actually modify the speedo reading to now show accurately - BONUS...

    The new 21" ABS wheel rocked up on Tuesday and the 18" rear was not far behind arriving this morning, so while I was close by the Motorradgarage warehouse in Perth I dropped by on the off chance they would have some suitable tires (I knew bloody well that they would have:wink:).
    I chose the Mefo StoneMaster for their DOT approval and high load/high speed rating.
    Sizes are 140/80-18" and 90/90-21.

    Feels good inside just knowing that there is some decent chunky knobs clawing at the ground now.
    I only hope the big S10 doesnt go ripping them to shred's (or turning them on the rim's:cry) when the loud grip is twisted.

    Finally some chunky rubber knobs:thumb
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    Front wheel - on..
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    Rear wheel - on.
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    A bit of high mount guard + fork leg protector goodness.
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    Dont worry Woody - I havent forgotten the sticker, I just want to clean the bike first:deal
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    Front OEM ABS/TCS encoder ring and cover installed on the Woody's Wheel Work's Superlite hub. What a masterpiece. [​IMG]
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    I just have to linish the guards up now and paint them (will powder-coat later).
    I also have to sort out the brake hose routing and guides, but I know what the plan is there and I will be onto that during the coming week.

    More ride reports/reviews to come, as well as a lot more pics once I have painted the bits and cleaned the bike...:D

    Greg.
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  12. CANNONMAN

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    Really Really Really liiking the looks of the Silver wheels. Looks like a trip to Woody's monday is in order. Oh, got my gifts in the mail yesterday. Thanks, Greg
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  13. Wasp

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    Great news mate - Thanks for the info.




    I finally got a chance to was the bike today.. The proper clean will likely come during the week (if I get time) when I finish off the full clean with some WD40.

    I welded and linished the fork leg covers on Friday and removed the high guard mount bracket so that I could give them both a coat of paint, so I decided today was a good time to pull out the pressure washer.
    My Son and the two grand-kids were out all day + the cook had disappeared for the arvo so I had complete peace and quiet.:wink:
    I find cleaning the bikes very therapeutic and quite enjoyed my afternoon.
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    Once dried (while the engine is warming up to dry out) it presented a good opportunity to wack on a couple of the Woody's Wheel Work's stickers... The least I can do for such a great job.
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    Gratuitous close-up..
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    I even snuck one on the back:
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    High mudguard mount bracket received a coat of jam and was secured into place.
    As I posted before, the expanding sleave up the inside of the steering stem works a treat and the bracket worked out nice and sturdy with the pressings to firm things up.
    These are the only two holes on the bottom triple clamp to attach anything too.
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    Mudguard installed and fork leg covers welded/linished/painted and fitted...Phew - Finally. Just have to get head down and bum up to finish the hose routing.
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    Hmm - Note to self. Must cut and polish those side covers - Plus stop sliding down the gravel on them.

    Nearly completed (this phase anyway:evil). Will try and finish the clean during the week so I can go out to the forest and get it dirty again :huh ....
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    I didnt get a chance to trial the 18" rear this weekend, although I could have gone out if I knew the wife was going to disappear, so it looks like this coming weekend is the test day. I will keep all (who might be interested) well reported.

    Greg.
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  14. jaumev

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    Greg, an amazing job as always, your bike looks great!!
    Sorry, probably you talk in previous threads about the next questions but with my limited English is difficult to understand, so I’m asking you again:
    I suppose Woody's wheels cant be tubeless.
    Don’t you thing they need a tyre brake? (I don’t know the name in English, see photo), especially in the rear wheel.

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    Is there enough space between the rear tyre and the cardan in case of mud?
    Is it possible to use Woody hub in the rear wheel? I think the best option is to have 2 wheels sets: the OEM ones to road trips and 21 and 18 to off road.

    Thanks!!
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  15. Adv Grifter

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    Looking good! Curious what happened to running a single front brake disc?
    I thought I saw pics earlier with just the one disc.

    Also, are you planning a more full coverage Bash plate?

    And speaking of saving weight ... how badly do you really need a center stand? That must be worth 5kg. to 7kg. ? On a touring bike I like a center stand but never had one for any bike going off road. What you think?

    What she weigh in at now? (full of fuel) :ear
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  16. woody's wheel works

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    Hi Jamey,,i'm in Germany right now,,,so 'll chime in from 'up-there'

    Wasp-man's rear 2.5x18 is sealed for tubeless,,,if you run 26psi or more on the rear you are good to go,,,we have lot's of experience with the Kim 950/990s and the BMW HP-2s using this configuration,,,NO SLIPPAGE and even if there were ,,,there's no tube inside to rip the valve stem off!!!

    The rim locks is what we English speakers call them ,,were designed to run very low tire pressures in wet conditions,,,and yes,, to keep the tire from spinning on the rim ,,,which of course led to valve stems being ripped out of the tube.

    Wasp-man will need to chime in on the 140x18Mefo tire clearance,,our trials with the 130x18 suggested more than enough clearance from our extrapolations.

    Good luck wasp-man with your first trial runs,,I'm all ears as I'm sure a few others are too:ear

    :freaky
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  17. jaumev

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    Thanks for your explanation Woody. I saw the air valve and it doesn't look tubeless.
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  18. airheadpilot

    airheadpilot Le Poulet du Désert

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    Greg,

    I know you've posted this before somewhere, but can you give me the skinny on your LED lights? Which brand and model are they? Total current draw for all three? How much nighttime light do they put out? Reliability? I bought some cheap LED lights from a guy in the Flea Market just for a try. One of them crapped out almost right away, but it made me a believer in the new LEDs. Looking to buy a better set, but they're enough money that I want to make sure whatever I get is going to light up the night and is going to last.

    Thanks!

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  19. tremor38

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    They are the 'Solstice LEDs' from VisionX. You can get the same lights in a complete package with relay harness and switch from Twisted Throttle. Twisted throttle re-brands then as 'Denali D1s' Wasp just bought three of the VisionX and joined them together as they are desighed to do that; a much more cost-effective route.
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  20. airheadpilot

    airheadpilot Le Poulet du Désert

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    Awesome - thanks!
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