The Motorcycle Chronicles of Jackie & Valentino... The Southern Episode

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by V@lentino, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. Fat Man Bass

    Fat Man Bass n00b

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    My buddy is going to make a trip in South america in November.

    Maybe you will meet him somewhere.
    I will give him the tips you wrote here.

    Love your pics and stories.
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  2. acejones

    acejones Long timer

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    The pics and info are very good ! The running commentary, pontificating, and opining are tiresome.
    Do have a safe trip.
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  3. BMoTo

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    I am enjoying your report. Please Opine as much as you want. If someone does not want to be Opined they can think of your ride report as a Playboy magazine and just look at the pictures. In fact if you want to carry on a running pontification be my guest............and do have a safe trip.
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  4. TealLA

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    Oh no you Didn't :nono
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  5. V@lentino

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    Your opinion matters :hide
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  6. BuggyCrewNextDoor

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    We're lovein' your ride reports. KitKat is SO glad she didn't have to mortgage the house to bail you out of la carcel for your 'speeding' violation earlier on in your ride through northern Mexico. We were sorry to hear you lost your ride lieutenant. Stay vertical and keep the pic's and commentary coming! :wave
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  7. terryckdbf

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    Disagree with acejones.

    Enjoying the ride tale, keep it coming.

    Terry
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  8. hwunger

    hwunger Been here awhile

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    recognize the BC Ferries deck anywhere ..... :D

    so the shiny black ST1300 is going to be lonely in the garage eh .... well maybe my shiny black ST1300 can keep it company .... following along :1drink
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  9. V@lentino

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    Reporting live from Palenque with the monkeys howling in the background

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    Sent from the top of the world
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  10. V@lentino

    V@lentino Inspektor

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    Quote from Horizons Unlimited re. crossing border from Mex to Guat:

    "Allow 2 hours, arrive early, not at lunch time, avoid weekends & public holidays"

    So J&V figured that if they got to the border at 1235 on Friday, Dia de Los Muertos, everything would be just peachy.:eek1



    We crossed at El Ceibo,


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    10 minutes to get out of Mexico, including a very diligent custom officer who brave the heat and humidity to take a picture of the VIN.


    Enter the Guatemalan side, I am indicated where to pull over. And Jackie goes to work, 20 minutes later I need to walk a hundred metres into Guate to change our left over Pesos to Quetzales, hand the loot back to Jackie, she signals the fumigator to do his deed while she goes to pay the fees at the Bancorural, and we are out of here.

    What a fixer she is :clap :toney :raabia

    15 QTZ each for entry stamps
    160 QTZ for vehicle import fees
    11 QTZ for fumigation


    All together out of Mex into Guate, 35 minutes while I chatted with the very friendly custom officer.


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    A longish ride to Flores and we are overlooking the peninsula from our Chaltunha hostal.

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    Out of North America and into Central America

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    I'll be back tomorrow with more pics from Palenque
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  11. ElReyDelSofa

    ElReyDelSofa Desubicado

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    Excellent, what a great team you are. Enjoying the ride report, photos, even your opines!

    Saludos,

    Martín
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  12. V@lentino

    V@lentino Inspektor

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    Thanks all of you for the readership and comments.:freaky


    Here is a quick video of entering the border area at El Ceibo. When first arriving in Tenosique there is a Custom security check point, the last PEMEX prior to Guatemala.

    Prior to exiting the city there is another check point, then you make a right and follow the signs for El Ceibo, about 75km. One last check point and 5km later you are at the border.

    After exiting Mexico you ride about 200 metres and arrive in Guatemala.

    In that order the video shows the buildings on the right:

    Immigration
    Aduana for vehicle import
    Banrural
    Fumigation

    Far in the distance about 100 metres you can see some other structures, this is where I walked to change money.


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  13. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Dear Jack and Valentino,

    First, as usual, I was catch by your RR because of the trip itself. I'm from Brasil and, well, it's about going S.A. so I always enjoy to see the american adv rider's point of view about things here. And obvious, as with most of adventurers, it's a very good opportunity to see great pics.

    I must confess I wasn't up to date in your RR, since time wasn't on my side the last couple of weeks. But, just right now, as I finished your post #49, I realized that I can't miss any of your updates.

    You see, I'm a History teacher (with an unfinished business here as my own RR isn't complete - for lack of time and enthusiasm) and your post #49 touched me deeply. I have those two books as the most important reading back when I was a college student. You chose wisely. And you gonna see things way more understandable (am I say it correctly?) because of Galeano's book. Most people think our problems are from our recent history but, as you will see, they have their roots deep in our colonial past and to fix 500 years of trouble, well, it's not an easy task.

    Thank you, so much, for taking us along. I'm looking for the next post and be sure that if you come all the way to Brasil I'll be grateful to help you and show you parts of my country.:deal

    Safe travels,

    Arjones.
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  14. V@lentino

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    Thanks for tagging along Arjones

    It is our responsibility to learn, at the very least make an attempt to comprehend why things are the way they are. How Neo-Liberalism is just the extended arm of 400 hundred years of exploitation. That before Sept 11, 2001, there was Sept 11, 1973. As such we can hope that our Latin hosts see us for who we are and not simply the extension of the politics of the land we live in.

    I must make a note about the fact that we are not American, Canadian maybe and again not so much...



    “The history of interactions among disparate peoples is what shaped the modern world through conquest, epidemics and genocide. Those collisions created reverberations that have still not died down after many centuries, and that are actively continuing in some of the world's most troubled areas.”

    &#8213; Jared Diamond, Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies
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  15. V@lentino

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    Enough talking in the previous posts for this instalment how about some pics


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    Ou il y a de l'homme, il y a de "l'hommerie"

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    Valentino playing Indiana Jones

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    Jackie the "hot" movie star :knary


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    Let see what Tikal has in store for us
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  16. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Thank you. Don't worry. You will be amazed by the fact that most of latin americans can see the differences between people and their governments (and foreign politics for that matter). You will experience warm welcome, hospitality, pride of our countries and their beauties and find a very large number of people ready to offer help and what ever you guys may need in your journey.

    Safe travels.

    Arjones.

    P.S.: my bad... I should look carefully so I could know where you guys are from...:D
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  17. Blader54

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    I like reports that make me think as much as entertain me and those that make me think AND dream are even better. Yours is better.

    Development without exploitation.....is that a contradiction in terms? It seems like a very complicated issue, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand it. Looking at history I am struck by how often it is the case that a society more technologically advanced tends to see less techno societies as "backward" or "uncivilized" or "savage." I think this judgement leads the higher tech society to see the lower tech society as "other." "Other" in the sense of "not our kind", "not one of us", "less evolved", or even "non-human." I think once this sense of "otherness" is established then the natural resources of the lower tech society are taken by the higher. In the best scenario the high tech society takes a paternalistic attitude toward the lower and helps them to some extent, while in the worst scenario the people of the lower tech society are systematically exterminated through various means. After reading many ride reports and doing a fair bit of traveling myself, it seems to me that one of the transformative aspects of a long ride such as yours is that by interacting with the people along the way they cease being "other". That they are "just like us" is no longer an abstract concept but visible, auditory reality. If only this could be applied on a societal basis!
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  18. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Yes Blader45, thinking is good!:D When it comes along with the opportunity to travel and see the world by your own eyes...:clap That's why it is so hard to find any kind of prejudice among those who take the world on their hands and spend time giving it a closer look.

    But, I must admit, this conversation is so interesting that we could hijack this great thread because of it. So, let's just hope our brave Jack and Valentino have another great run today and may they post everything:deal here!
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  19. Blader54

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    Looking forward to their next update!
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  20. V@lentino

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    Riding through the villages that separate Flores and Antigua give you plenty of opportunity to think and reflect how fortunate we are to be born where there is running water, electricity, and that our most important preoccupation of the day has nothing to do with thinking about what is going to be our next meal.

    Ferry to cross the rio to Sayaxché

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    I still want to make a post about Chiapas and Tikal, I will need to backtrack.


    Just a tease.

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    This one could go in the bikes in front of cathedral thread

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    Tikal was not as splendid as Palenque but the height of the Pyramids was still quite impressive.




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    And don't worry about hijacking the thread, I enjoy the conversation, and I have a feeling a few others are enjoying reading it. If it keeps going I just might start a discussion about authenticity.

    We are in Antigua after riding from Flores. Last night we stopped in Coban.


    A few from Flores

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    It was the 2nd day of Dia de los muertos, so we went to the "cementerio"


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    Our "eco cabaña" you know the kind, real estate agents call them rustic, character home with old world charm, airy with expose beam throughout, great panoramic view.

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    Suicide shower incuded :eek1

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    The road today

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    It was laundry day

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    About 50% of the population of Guatemala is Mayan, however saying so does not mean much as the Maya people constitute a wide range of ethnicities, languages, and cultures.


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    Here is an interesting article by Johan Normark titled Culture and Ethnicity in Mayanist Discourse


    Colourful bus belching black smoke

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    BTW arjones Liliane aka Jackie is asking who is this "Jack" person you keep on referring.:lol3:lol3

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    More to come...
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