The new changjiang 650 sidecar is published today.

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by bigheadsnake, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. mr.spui

    mr.spui Adventurer

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    The engine is made by CF MOTO who already has an extensive dealer network for their ATVs https://cfmotousa.com/find-a-dealer/ and a few two wheel models using this same engine, so EPA/DOT certification can be amortised over a number of models. They could certify the bike as a two-wheeler and sell the sidecar as a factory accessory.
    https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/cfmoto/2014-cfmoto-650-nk-ar164309.html
    https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/cfmoto/2014-cfmoto-650-tk-ar164310.html
    https://motorbikewriter.com/cfmoto-650mt-adventurer-coming/
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  2. bigheadsnake

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    Sorry for the wrong info, I just confused sidecar steering with the brake on the side wheel, but as a Jialing sidecar owner, I can tell the sidecar steering can only help you reduce turning circle and easy to make a U turn, it does little help when you ride more than 10mi/h.
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  3. bigheadsnake

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    I'm an owner of Shineray 400cc two-wheel edition. The most seriours problem of the sidecar is that the sidecar is too light and easy to roll over, you can rise the sidecar when the bike is stopped. The total weight is only 230kg (two wheeled-editon, 156kg), and the sidecar is made of fiberglass. If someone travel alone, it's strong recommanded to load the sidecar with some goods.

    The sidecar and its frame are less than 80kg, as a contrast, the total weight of my Jialing bike is 370kg, and the two-wheeled edtion is 190kg.

    Here's a snapshot of an accident, you can see the sidecar is not strong eoungh and gets out of the frame.

    However, it's still the most popular sidecar in China last year due to the apperance and the price, less than 5000USD.

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  5. eastbloc

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    I don't believe you can amortize DOT certification over models that don't share at least a frame, and I don't see a bike based on a CJ-750 frame being a big seller as a two-wheeler (even Ural gave up trying to sell Solos). In any case, having a sidecar rig of all things to hawk in the US is hardly going to be the thing that suddenly makes a mass CF Moto import strategy make sense. Americans are buying fewer motorcycles as it is, and sidecars are already among the models with the smallest market share. It's a miracle Ural is still around and it has more to do with the irrational tenacity of the owners (both of individual Urals and the franchise) than with it being a rapidly growing market segment.

    I'd love to have more alternatives to Urals and homegrown hacks but I like to have realistic expectations. The US sidecar market is for a few hundred bikes a year and that is including what Ural, Dauntless, CSM, and Enfield can churn out. The arrival of a major new player is extremely unlikely to end in success and so it's unlikely to happen. Capitalism's a bitch.
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  6. windmill

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    They only managed to sell 50 odd JH600B rigs in 6 years in Europe. 9 a year is about .5% of Urals European yearly sales.
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  7. mr.spui

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    Why are you so fascinated with DOT certification when that is easy to meet as opposed to CARB/EPA certification? The bikes all use the same engine so CARB/EPA certification is easier. Now without being disrespectful, I suggest you go to your local DMV and hand in all your vehicle licenses, and then go to am Optometrist! Anyone who thinks that this bike has a CJ-750 frame is obviously legally blind! The closest frame is a Ural Retro!!!!
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    Why are you so fascinated with DOT certification when that is easy to meet as opposed to CARB/EPA certification? The bikes all use the same engine so CARB/EPA certification is easier. [/QUOTE]

    I use the term DOT loosely to refer to all the regulation required to market a vehicle in the US. You're correct of course that CARB/EPA is more difficult to meet. I'm not sure it's true that it's any easier to meet it with many bikes equipped with the same engines as it involves road testing of the entire motorcycle, not just bench-testing of the motor.

    The OP said it was a CJ-750 frame, but it's obviously not now that I look at it. It appears to be a new frame built around the new motor, which makes sense. Little of the old boxer-Cardan shaft configuration would be a natural fit for a chain-drive parallel-twin.
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  9. Sidecarjohn

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    Only time will tell on how the new Changjiang will perform in a very limited market. However, initial evidence of a relatively modern engine that satisfies Euro 4 legislation, and a more up to date look hints at the Chinese being ambitious about sales beyond their own borders. A case of watch this space ?
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    Chinese can and able to make quality stuffs but they love exporting craps, i like to test ride the rig if it comes to USA but i doubt it.
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  11. bigheadsnake

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    As you can see that it's totally new bike, much different from the model in 1956. What I mean is that is based on a CJ-750 frame, I've got some pictures of the new and old sidecars' frame.

    This is the new frame and the blue print.
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    This is the old one.
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  12. eastbloc

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    The similarities seem to begin and end largely with them both being motorcycle and sidecar frames.
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  13. Strong Bad

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    Actually getting approved isn't that hard, I've got a friend who does a bunch of the testing. He gets to ride some unique bikes before they are approved. But really, once you know what is expected of your product, any large manufacturer can do it, if they want.
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  14. windmill

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    But it's still expense and time consuming. They pulled the JH600B rather than trying to get it certified for Euro 4 due to low demand. With the continuing decline in motorcycle sales in the US, are we really worth their effort?
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    Compared with past decades, UK motorcycle sales have declined dramatically. However, this hasn't stopped manufacturers producing new models almost exclusively for such a limited market place. The bread and butter for the big players, of which several are Chinese, are small powered two wheelers, but there's probably still mileage in providing for niche demands. After all, even without the economic backstop of small, profitable machinery, the guys at Irbit still manage to produce Urals.
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    I wouldn't worry too much about shipping and MCO. they are pretty good at that stuff. I bought a Haosen Hawk last year. shipped and got MCO notarized by the US distributor.
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