The New Ninja 300

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by studad, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. Navin

    Navin Long timer

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    I dropped the sag a bit. Ride height is = to stock. Maybe this will push me to get that Scotts stabilizer pin tower welded on ASAP. That should clear it up! :lol3

    The bike rides fine as long as both hands are damping the bars, even with a light touch. I hasn't shook at any speed up to 100 MPH actual and on some really rough roads too. The forks need work as they pack up under heavy ripples and washboard tar. The rear end is just planted. The bars on my 950 SMR would wag over 90 MPH, this thing stays straight and true.

    If the rear end measures square when I check that, and the roller bearings don't cure it i can live with it. Done it before for 25-30k miles.
  2. scooterspirit

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    OK to talk about the cbr500 over here? hehehe J/k I didn't mean to get them all upset over there. Wow, whiners. I'm still pretty excited about the 300. Kawa G shows how to change the oil, I just like her fingernail polish, I think she's giving you the ADV salute, right there. But look at those pipes, those are some big tucking pipes. I guess that's like a longer barrel on a rifle, it just makes it go faster.
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  3. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Sure it does, thanks.
  4. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    BTW.. someone already said Versys 300.. but this would be fun too:

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    I love the looks of the new ER6n.
  5. Navin

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    Bah! You got me! :lol3

    That girl did a few vids about working on the 300. Very interesting to hear her explain some stuff! :huh But nice for the total noobs to see simple tasks are easy to do.
  6. Jimmy the Heater

    Jimmy the Heater Tilting the Horizon

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    Odd...every Ninja 250 that I've ridden (and there have been quite a few, both 1st and 2nd gen) hasn't wobbled at all.
    Experienced it on other bikes FZ600, Hawk GT, Ninja 500. But never the 250. Good luck with tracing it down, it is a bit annoying to say the least.
  7. Navin

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    Yeah, I've found a few other complaints about it on older threads from other sites. I'll keep looking but I bet my damper will cure it anyway unless I figure it out first.
  8. Gryphon12

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    I, too, hope that you discover the cause - I'd really like to know. It is one thing if you are pushing the limits of the chassis design, and another if something is just "out of tune". Also, while I recognize that steering dampers can be necessary for safety on the race track, where riders are pushing chassis limits, I've always believed that they cover-up true problems on street bikes, and even on enduros where the bikes are not being used at race-speeds. No one chassis design can be stable over the entire range of possible uses, but the everyday envelopes of street and trail riding just aren't that wide. If it wobbles, something else is wrong.
  9. Navin

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    I know it shouldn't do it but I've owned other bikes that did exactly the same thing from day one. If you google search it, the exact same decel, no hands under 50-40 MPH wobble is common. If I try to get the same result at 40 MPH it goes dead straight. At 80 MPH it won't start till under 50. It is a good little mystery for sure.

    I already know Kawi's response, keep your hands on the bars. :wink:
  10. cls

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    You bet.
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    FlySniper Bleh...

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    I have two Ninja 500s and they both do the exact thing you describe your 300 as doing. It's common with the 500's. Front tire pressure seems to affect it a good deal, the tapered rollers help as does adjusting fork oil levels. But the BIGGEST impact is making sure your front and rearwheels are aligned with each other. Screw the marks on the swingarm and don't waste time aligning the rear to the frame. Some string wrapped around the back of the rear tire, pulled to the front edge of the front tire (not touching) and just kissing the front edge of the rear tire (confused yet?)... do both sides and measure the distance from the string to the edge of the front tire's tread. Get both sides even and it will greatly reduce the hands off shake, but it won't eliminate it.

    There's a writeup with pictures on the ex-500.com WIKI that explains it better.....:deal

    The only way to avoid it is.... by keeping your hands on the bars.....:lol3
  12. Navin

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  13. Anteraan

    Anteraan Been here awhile

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    I can't speak for the pre-gen, but I've never had that happen on a new-gen. I've ridden mine and a few others at events or to help friends diagnose issues, no wobbles.
  14. Anteraan

    Anteraan Been here awhile

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    The first comment on that video is correct. There is no way that is a 4,400rpm idle. I don't trust those tach readings at all.
  15. Jimmy the Heater

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    Stopped by the dealer today and gave the 300 a test sit. (They don't allow test rides on new bikes) Everything felt really good! Well except for one thing. Whoever designed the seat should be shot! It is totally and completely devoid of anything resembling padding. I think they put a seat pan on there, folded some cardboard up to give it shape and then put vinyl over the top of it. Crazy!

    By contrast, I sat on the redesigned 650 that was right next to it and it is one of the better seats I've ever sat on and by far the best one on a sporty bike. How can one manufacturer get one so right and the other soooooo wrong?
  16. Navin

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    I expected to send my seat out ASAP to Renazco or someone to add padding but after 1500 miles I gotta say it hasn't been an issue. Maybe too many years on KTM dirt & street bikes? :lol3
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    The guy who races it is a English as a second language guy for sure but replied to another question about the tach reading with this,

    "We using AIM/Italy dashboard as you saw. If you not truth in me you should truth in AIM.
    We have a lot modify on this engine. and This is Racing ECU(Stand alone) not OEM so RPM setting by computer. This is real bro. And Camshaft change power brand from 9000-11000 RPM to 14500-16000.

    Sound.
    Because next race in BIRA circuit straight not too long exhaust have to be a bit short then sound is not sweet."

    He claims they have sold ECUs to Yosh himself recently. This is a FI 250 too, they can't get the 300 although they are built there. I doubt I want to mod to the levels this guy is at but bumping up the rev ceiling with the right upgrades and adding a bump of HP up top wouldn't be a bad thing. I could live with less torque at under 6k for sure.

    You don't really need to ride the 300 like a 300, I expected alot of shifting and revving. I can lope along in 6th at 40-45 MPH and roll on decent power.
  18. Anteraan

    Anteraan Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the quote from the guy, Navin. I still don't buy it. I've ridden the 250 for too long not to know what it sounds like at different engine speeds.

    As for the 300, I've read about the powerband "sliding down the rpm range", so I believe that the 300 rides very differently. I would expect to be about 2k rpm down on the 300 if I rode my usual commute, compared to the 250. That bodes well for engine life.
  19. Cortez

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  20. Navin

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    2K lower might be a conservative estimate!

    I let her sink to 30 MPH today in 6th on a country road. Rolled on the throttle and it pulled hard enough to skip the speedo from 31-34-36-40-44 and right on up to 60. The flexibility of the powerband is remarkable.

    Me preference would have had this engine pulling as it does down low with a kick at 7-8k to a 45-50 HP shriek but it is what it is, and for regular sport street riding it works just fine.

    I'm told by my new Tiawanese racer buddy that the 250 FI needs valves, springs and an ECU to make regular trips to 16k safe and reliable. This might just interest me enough to bump the rev ceiling up and get that top end wail I'd like. I gotta see what the new tuners will do to it first. I've been hearing Kawi left alot of meat on the table to be unlocked with custom tunes.