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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by studad, Sep 13, 2012.
True, but then again the new 1199 Panigale S Tricolore is 420 lbs wet
ex300 dyno shootout
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moto ergo shows the 300 same as 2012 250- 71 knee angle 17 degree lean, for 6.2, 34inseam
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Wow, cool video. Thanks for sharing scooterspirit. If I was in the area I would stop off and maybe give some business to Skagit Powersports after such a nice comparison. Why haven't I seen such a comprehensive dyno study from the major internet cycle reviewers?
Mostly because they're weenies.
This is the baddest ass 300 that's ever been made on the planet. I guess it's too heavy .
Pay $12-13K and they'll shave off 75lbs and get you a really good suspension.
I'm good with the cheap stuff though...
I absolutely LOVE that dyno test video. Big props to them, except for one thing. Anyone who considers 6k rpm on the 250 as "mid-range" makes me wonder a bit...or a lot. As the owner of an '09, I can tell you that <7k is bottom end, 7-10k is mid-range, and 10-redline is the top end. That said, the 6k figure is a nice reference point for pulling away from traffic in those first couple of seconds after the light turns green, or how much it will pull from a relaxed, steady-state cruising speed.
The whole picture looks very promising - a bigger upgrade than I was expecting, but I'm still waiting to see how the rumored CBR500 turns out.
Thanks ScooterSpirit. The dyno info. was terrific. I think Kawasaki just handed Honda's ass to them in the 200-300 cc bike range. I'm impressed with the competition between Honda and Kawasaki in this area. We all benefit from this.
Bingo. I've been grinding over this 300 and whether I oughtta upgrade my CBR250R. Then I remembered the possible 500...twin, FI, lightweight, ABS...might be good.
I'm gonna keep riding the snot out of my 250 and be patient...
Got a 430-mile tour over Sierras and back coming up next Saturday.
Same here. I'm still having plenty of fun with it, and I actually love the look of the 2008- generation N250. If I could get a "big-stroke kit" and FI installed for a reasonable amount, I would really consider it, especially after seeing that dyno vid on the 300. But I know that's horribly unlikely, and the whole economy of scale thing works against it.
My '09 250 will surely keep me happy through the rest of the riding season...but I *am* keeping my eyes open for the best upgrade path. I do hope the CBR500 fits the bill for me, because I've been unimpressed with any of the 650's I've tried.
Really annoys me in the dyno video when the guy says "IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE 250!!"
On what basis? Power? Yes, it makes more HP. Does that make it better? No, not necessarily. HP should not always be the measuring stick!
Power wins races. They're racers.
You're right. Torque should!
Sorry, someone just had to say it. And I know what you're saying. Then again, it is a dyno test, so his comments are coming with that as a backdrop.
True, but his tone implied otherwise to me.
There in lay the joke.
If you're power obsessed, I'm not sure what you're doing straddling a U.S. / Canadian market 250 or 300
in the first place.
I'm betting that the 300 will be an all round better package but not significantly so.
The strength of both versions is that they check a whole lot of boxes in the motorcycle fun experience.
Power isn't one of those boxes..
Sorry to barge in like this, but I need to hear more about this CBR500. :huh
And I love the N300!
It's probably gonna be a better all-round bike then my N650 was.
The appeal of a smaller/less powerful bike is it's handeling/flickability but, it must have "enough power" to not be dangerous on a highway. More power is always better (IMO) even if you're not obsessed with power. No one can accuse me of being obsessed with power, I ride a KLR & love it! However, I would NOT be interested in a 125 Ninja no mater how well it handeled. The N300 may only do 105 MPH but if it has enough "punch" up to 105, I could see it being more fun than a ZX-14 in anything but a drag race.
There you go, well said. My EX500 had enough + a little more at 50 HP, even 2 up. I dropped a tooth on the CS but it pulled us with luggage for trips without a whimper. My kids 2012 EX250 has enough, but just enough. Add a passenger + my 205 lbs. and enough becomes almost enough on the not so big hill down the street. I'm sure on a trip it would be taxed now and then 2 up. It doesn't seem to have the gear range to be able to lower the final drive by much.Still to be determined in testing!
Under his 160 lbs. it is a rocket and I'm amazed as he pulls along my 950SE with FCRs. I can still stomp him but for real street riding he has plenty of pop.
I'm looking forward to riding a 300, but expect to think it would be perfect as a 350 with 45 HP. Maybe in 5 more years?
I really liked my little Ninja 250 and wanted to love it but unfortunately never really "fell" for it. About one of my main requirements for a street bike is must cruise comfortably at 75-80 mph. I like to ride long distances and lots of super slab is always necissary to get somewhere. Although the 250 would come close it just didn't have quite enough. I'm thinking the 300 might just be enough. I can't wait to see some feedback when more guys start riding them.
I had a mid 2000's Ninja 500 at the same time as my wife had a comparable Ninja 250.
I can't understand why so many people recommend the 250 as a great beginner bike. I found the lack of torque made it harder to ride in the city than the 500. By far less forgiving. The Ninja 500 is a much better beginner bike.
I loved the 250 on curvy country roads, with no stop lights. A hoot to rev to the moon.
I bet the 300 will be the best of both, with modern looks, and ABS. I'd love to ride one!