The obsession with low revs on the highway

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by iamcanjim, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. iamcanjim

    iamcanjim Snorting snow.

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    From outside the hobby, it is easy to see that most modifications we make to our vehicles decrease the usability, not increase it.

    Most mods made to diesel pickups (bed stacks, lifts, chips) actually make them worse.

    Most mods made to ricers (lowering, fart cans, body kits, spoilers) actually make them worse.

    Unfortunately it is probably the same for motorcycles. We just can't see it because we are inside the lifestyle.
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  2. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    Hmmm

    Lets see
    ~shorty levers, because I ride 2+2 and never four finger controls
    ~higher rigid pegs because my feet slip off the stockers and I need GP shift to getting my big ass feet under the shifter in some left corners causes foot to ground interface that I can get around easily....by flipping the shift pattern
    ~most bikes are tuned close to dangerously lean which makes low end response shit
    ~aftermarket exhausts remove 20lbs (in the case of my 675) from high and on the tail of the bike, the last place you want it.

    That is just the track bitch, and for what I usually use it for it is hands down better for what I use it for.

    For the Speed Triple
    -1/+3 cogs, because frond wheels should last forever :lol3 That I don't give a shit about going 145, I want 0-80 and I want it now.....and it still gets about 38-40mpg highway, enough to get about 170 miles if I need to.
    Daytona engine internals.....yeah, hands down better, higher compression, higher redline, better sleeves better machine work...
    Porting/milling the head.....yeah more compression better flow (sadly the Speed Triple/Daytona of that era have not even close to enough airbox for the engine)
    I have a high mount on it, because I like burning the back of my right boot....oh that and you shouldn't block SSSAs...ever
    Suspension, me and the suspension on that fucker are going though generation 3 thus far, this time I'm going full retard, GSXR forks, AK-20s, Penske shock, 1050 swinger.

    .......may not be better to you, but its damn sure better for me.
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  3. JohnCW

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    A one tooth smaller rear sprocket will decrease revs by 100 at 70mph. A one tooth larger front sprocket will decease revs by 300 at 70mph.
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  4. JOKER650

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    HAHA...That was QUICK!:clap

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  5. Bill Harris

    Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon

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    My take is that he intends to gear it WAY up to a 1-tooth rear sprocket and get 3rpm @ 70mph... :rofl:lol3:rofl

    --Bill
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  6. Kiba

    Kiba Dances With Huskies

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    I used to be of the low-revs-only school too. I think it has alot to do with the archetypal sound of motorcycles many of us grew up with- apart from dirtbikes and sportbikes, which are depicted and fragile race machines, the single archetypal motorcycle sound is a chugging harley v-twin or a british thumper.

    Even if we grow past the stereotypes and become part of real motorcycle culture, I have a feeling that impression sticks in many of our heads until we're trained out of it by owning a bike that's meant to rev comfortably at higher RPMs than a long-stroke, old-school aircooled bike.

    Not to say that low revs are bad for engines. An engine does best in whatever operational range it was designed for, and the "sweet spot" can be anywhere in that range depending on cam design, timing, compression, etc. Every two-stroke bike I've ever had was in the sweet spot for cruising right when it sounded like a miniature supersport screaming at redline, to no particular ill effects. My XT likes a nice 2500-4500, with the sweet spot at about 3400. And some of those old HD longstroke twins have the same rev limit as a modern diesel truck and can't rev for anything, but can chug quite happily at revs that would cause other bikes to stall.


    Some of us don't have, and/or can't afford, a car, truck or other form of cage.
    Or we may have one, but have to share it with other people and use the bike as our primary transport, like me.

    Not everyone uses bikes as toys, even here in the USA.

    Just sayin'...:D
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  7. JohnCW

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    Hi Bill,
    No doubt your right. Brains a bit slow to catch on, to many years of substance abuse is my excuse.

    John
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  8. Albie

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    There's no pleasure in droning down super slab. Mystically pretending riding on super slab is enjoyable IS stupid. It's why most riders in the US don't choose to ride through KS and NE for fun. Instead they choose places like the Smokies and Rockies to ride. And cars are useless 4 wheeled transportation.
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  9. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    Waahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Need a tissue?
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  10. joexr

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    I was thinking feminine product.:lol3
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  11. Kommando

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    :rofl

    I don't recall me being the individual not able to handle running slab using anything less cushy than a truck, Muffinbutt. The wind doesn't bother me. The noise or vibes don't bother me. 1K+ miles in a day on a dualsport seat doesn't twist my panties in a knot, but somebody else mods their bike or rides it in a way that you don't approve of and you get enough sand in your mangina over it that you're makin' pearls and calling their riding habits stupid and/or wrong.

    AdventureTrucker, huh? That seems stupid and wrong when gas is $4/gal and you're not hauling anything over 2K lb. A decent car would be more economical, sportier, and probably more comfortable

    :lol3

    Why even bother riding anything over 600cc?
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  12. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    Why? Nobody was calling you.
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  13. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    There's nothing adventurous about droning along a superhighway. If you think there is, like I said, you're doing it wrong Snowflake. :rofl

    I ride for the enjoyment, not the get from point A to point B.
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  14. randyo

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    you are ignoring the fact that iamcanjim prefaced each statement with the word "most"
    and btw, while your mods may work for you, they decrease the usability for most riders and most uses
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  15. blk-betty

    blk-betty bam-a-lam

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    Your in the upstate, I'm done here on the coast...to get to really good riding above your area I have to super slab it up I-26.

    Do you suggest I quit riding altogether or load my bike in a truck and haul it up to NC mountains?

    Not all of us live close to great riding areas.
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  16. randyo

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    I agree, I live in decent twisties, but like to explore new areas, highways allow me to get there without taking a month off from work taking back roads that I have been on before
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  17. Road Hound

    Road Hound Been here awhile

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    If you truly love Riding, you'll learn to enjoy every mile you ride. It's not always about the road, sometimes it's just you and your bike. I've been at it for over 40 years and I enjoy it all.
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  18. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    For the Speed Triple more power and a higher readline is a decrease in usability? Better suspension? Longer fork travel and adjustable ride height?

    Less usable?

    I enjoy most riding.

    However, fuck if I'm going to sit light to light for an hour and a half when I can hop on the 5 and be out of town in like 20 minutes. I'm going to to go with the assumption that the super slab haters don't have major cities to deal with on the way out of town.
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  19. windmill

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    Well for some of us, riding isn't limited to weekend recreation or for fitting into a lifestyle, it's our preferred full time transportation, with recreation riding simply being a side benefit

    I rather be "droning along a superhighway" on a bike, than drive any cage on any road.:deal
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  20. Kiba

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