The Official 2012 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

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  1. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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  2. hockeygoon

    hockeygoon Been here awhile

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    Force India too it seems, though no replacements noted for either team. Rubens also.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    Williams, HRT must think Christmas has come early. Sutil, Petrov, Senna, Buemi, Alguersuari, Barrchello and others, all fighting for seats!
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    Isn't that like being on the naughty list?
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    well, with the way drivers need to bring cash for a seat, it's more like being on the "possible lottery winners list" for those teams....
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  6. wxwax

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    I thought it was borderline cruel they way they handled their drivers this season. The poor guys went the entire season thinking they were to be canned each week. Esprit de corps must be a foreign concept over there. I know F1's rough, but to me that felt like piling-on. Sadistic, even.
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    Rightly or wrongly, I felt that Sutil was stale at the start of this season. Then the reality that he might lose his seat and the challenge from DiResta woke him up and he did really well.

    Whoever signs him will get a good driver, I reckon. But I'm not sure that he brings any money, so he may be out of luck. What a shame if a talented guy like him ends up at Hispania.
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  8. Clem Kevin

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    I too think Sutil is good, but I think Hulk and DiResta have more potential. Look at Sutil's resume compared to those two, clearly they have a bit more behind them.
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    Without looking it up, I think once Sutil woke-up, he dusted DiResta. That said, DiResta had a great season for a rookie.
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    sometimes looking it up is a good idea I think.
    granted Sutil should be faster, more experienced, etc.

    Sutil: 9-11-15-13-13-7-Ret-9-11-6-14-7-Ret-8-11-11-9-8-6 (42 points)
    di Resta 10-10-11-Ret-12-12-18-14-15-13-7-11-8-6-12-10-13-9-8 (27 points)

    so after the first 10 races Sutil had beaten diResta 6 out of the 10 times.
    in the final 10 races Sutil only beat di Resta 5 times.

    but I agree the perception was there
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    Just typing something so I get the little black dot near the thread title.

    Kind of lost interest last season, maybe this year I'll get back into it.
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    the Hulk is back.....


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    DiResta and Hulk. Good news for Sahara Force India.
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    I look forward to seeing these two guys provide some interesting racing. I always liked Sutil and have cheered him on since his awesome pole run and podium race at Spa, so I hope he finds a new ride.

    I wonder who Toro Rosso will bring on.
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    besides their announced drivers?

    Toro Rosso

    Engines: Ferrari
    16. Daniel Ricciardo (Has contract)
    17. Jean-Eric Vergne (Has contract)
    Test and reserve drivers
    None
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    Ah, last I saw they had two out of contract drivers. Thanks for the update.

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    So just two more seats up for grabs I guess, Ruben's old ride at Williams and Liuzzi's at HRT.
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    alguesari to HRT and Petrov to Williams?
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    Thanks for putting together the race results, Greg. Sutil did better in the first half than I remembered. I have to think that Force India, which doesn't like to pay its bills and is notoriously cheap, might be saving money by dumping a veteran like Sutil.

    I guess I was thinking of qualifying, which is usually a truer test of teammates. Sutil started slow but finished fast. However, the margin was only occasionally large enough to justify what I suspect were Sutil's larger wages.


    2010 Force India Qualifying

    Sutil
    16 17 11 12 17 15 14 19 11 8 8 15 12 9 11 10 8 9 8
    DiResta
    14 14 8 13 16 14 11 12 6 12 11 18 11 10 12 9 13 10 11
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  19. g®eg

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    yeah... me too.
    thing is when he beat di resta, he beat him by a gap, and when he lost it wasn't as much or they were both out of the points.

    I think FI is being cheap, and that's the story. :thumb
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    New rules for overtaking and blocking.

    Sounds clear. Early speculation is that the interpretation of "one car width" might be contentious. Also, a driver might drift slightly off the line and claim he wasn't blocking.

    Personally, I like this. Gives the lead driver a chance to block but forces him to time and place his one blocking move very carefully.
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