The Official 2012 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by shrineclown, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Alonso is in peril. He's surrounded by guys with questionable judgment. Maldonado is beside him and we can expect something stupid from the boy. Hamilton is behind him and old wing or not, will be craving to pass the man who leads the points standings.

    A weird season stays weird after the break, to Alonso's advantage.

    The men directly behind Alonso in the points are in a fix. Webber qualy'd well but takes a penalty for a gearbox change and Vettel couldn't even make the top ten. After the penalties, Vettel starts 10th and Webber 12th. And behind them in the points is Hamilton, whose troubles y'all have already discussed.

    So Alonso has a pedestrian qualifying at Spa and isn't really hurt by it. Weird season indeed.
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  3. bobobob

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    Damn, you sure nailed that, Kreskin. :clap
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    Mike_drz Banned

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    I wonder if that would ever happen in high speed :D
  5. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    So Hamilton tweets setup information. WTF is it about twitter and this impulse to lose your mind publicly? Whitmarsh had him delete them after an hour but you wonder if Hamilton actually gets which sport he's competing in?
  6. viajero

    viajero Too old to be a nOOb

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    I see that Grosjean has been told that he will not be allowed to participate at Monza due to his screwup today at Spa.

    Will it make a difference, change the drivers' behavior on the track?
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    You can dissect individual accidents all you want and get differing opinions on fault, but once again, the same bozos are involved in a massive shunt that takes out key competitors and could have resulted in serious injuries - Maldonado and Grosjean.

    - Mark
  8. Irish1

    Irish1 Been here awhile

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    I think you have to sanction the teams as well, because they're not controlling bad on-track behavior by their drivers. I think Renault/Lotus should NOT be allowed a substitute driver at Monza and I think Maldonado should also be banned for at least one race, again with no substitute driver allowed. Lost race points greatly effect the amount of money teams make at season's end. Neither Grosjean or Maldonado seem to be getting it: I can't tell if it's just a lack of IQ or ego mixed with hubris. :nortonThese are not just racing incidents: they're inappropriate aggression mixed with stupidity. Alonso and Hamilton acted with class after the crashes and Fernando's comment about sitting in the car after the accident briefly because his back hurt but then realizing his car was burning was hilarious: "It was getting hard to breathe because of the smoke so I decided to get out". :eek1 Paraphrase there. :deal


  9. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Pastor Maldonado has become my least favorite driver in F1. He blatantly jumped the start ("the clutch slipped out of my hands" :rolleyes) and then he hit Timo Glock. Double grid penalty for Monza. Add to that his impeding Hulkenberg in qualifying, plus his other dangerous moves this season, and you have to think the man's an unprofessional menace who has no business driving in this elite class.

    Sweet flag-to-flag run by Button. Lotus goes another race without a win. Nice 5th by Massa.

    I was right about the shard-fest at turn 1, but not about how it might happen. I wasn't expecting the mistake to come from Grosjean. Holy cow, that was awful. Alonso came within inches of a wheel to the noggin. They sure spanked Grosjean, a one race ban.

    What a track, every time I watch a race there I appreciate its greatness more. A very entertaining race. Terrible TV production by Bernie's crew. We never did see Hulkenberg's pass on Kimi, and they cut away as Schumi was passing Kimi. It's as if the race was too fast for the director.
  10. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Grosjean seems to be somewhat aware and reflective. He's the GP2 champ, so it's not like he has no racing experience.

    One driver I'd like to see back in F1 is Adrian Sutil. I think he might be quite good in a competitive car like the Lotus.

    Domenicali makes an interesting point about driver discipline in the lower divisions.

  11. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Kimi's pass on Schumi round the outside of Eau Rouge was breathtaking.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    "Somewhat" is right. He first reaction was that he didn't think he caused the accident, then said he needed to see the replay, and now he is saying that he takes responsibility for mis-judgment but still maintaining that because he didn't do it deliberately and because he was 100% sure he was clear of Hamilton, that it is just one of those things.

    If he was 100% sure he was clear of Hamilton, then he has no business in a F1 race car.

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    Ragin Rabbi Semper Fidelis

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    I'll take the unpopular viewpoint i.e. Grosjean, it was a racing incident. Unfortunate, but hardly deserving of a ban. Possibly a grid spot penalty or some such, but not a ban.

    He pushed, had a nose plus ahead, and missed the fact that he placed Hamilton's front tire between his front and rear. Is it fortunate that it didn't end in more then busted up cars? Of course.

    BUT, it was just after the start, everyone is jockeying for position, their hair is on end, and this is the result.

    As far as some saying he is reckless and this is par for the course with him, I must be living in the twilight zone, because I felt that he (outside of some rookie mistakes) has done pretty bloody well for himself thus far....

    There, someone had to be contrary to everyone else....:lol3
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    He's had early-race crashes in five out of 12 races so far this year. And he came very close to crashing in two others. Meanwhile his teammate in the same car has yet to have a crash this year.

    Yes, I think you're in the twilight zone to think he's done "pretty bloody well".

    - Mark
  16. wxwax

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    It was. Webber did the same to Alonso last year. This time it looked like Schumacher lifted.

    This video still blows my mind.


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  17. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    This is the bit that made me think there's hope for him.

  18. Fajita Dave

    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    Well that was an interesting start to the race. I guess bad karma is finally piling up enough on Maldonado to finally start giving him what he deserves!

    What was with the trophies? I thought they weren't aloud to have any sort of sponsorship endorsement on them at all from the race sponsor? There was obviously a big yellow shell gasoline symbol in the middle of that shiny dish.
  19. A. T. T-W

    A. T. T-W Can't be bothered.

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    Couldn't agree more. The ban seems to be based upon the amount of carnage that resulted. I'm tempted to add that the penalty includes an element of retribution for having taken out a Ferrari.

    The Ardennes is region known for it's local shellfish, especially scallops. :D
  20. Irish1

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    Baloney, Grosjean's been to the Principal's office many times this season already and is still pulling these extremely dangerous moves. :eek1 This wasn't a frivolous mistake, it was the act of intent by a malicious brat. He didn't intend to prang Hamilton but HE was the responsible driver and almost killed someone. :deal INTENT doesn't matter anyway, all that matters is what happened. He's refused to accept correction and should be traded off to a minor-league team until he learns some car control. The ban is based on the amount of harm he caused and two drivers, Hamilton and Alonso, suffered injury. If I managed penalties he'd be banned for five races and forced to start every friggin' race from the pits for the remainder of the season. Renault/Lotus should be ashamed of him and offer to pay for all the damage to competitor cars he caused. Any of you had a friend killed in a racing incident? I have, and the competitor that caused the wreck by driving way too aggressively was rightfully sued by the family of his victim.