The Official 2012 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by shrineclown, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Fajita Dave

    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    Weren't McLaren also using the "cheating" front wing? The McLaren who's nothing more than on par with Ferrari's terrible F1 car. Ya know, the Ferrari team who FINALLY caught on to the Coanda exhaust with only 4 races to go?

    Its not only the front wing flexing a few degrees that makes the RedBull so fast. If they took that front wing off than they'd only be 0.3 seconds ahead of the entire field instead of 0.5 seconds (if its even worth that much). Yes, it makes them and McLaren faster but its not going to turn the RedBull from being the fastest car into a losing car. Everyone has seen you complain about it 10 times already so stop being such a crying pansy about one part on the dominant team in F1. What a shock it is for there to be one dominant team in F1!!! I can't remember the last time that happened. Maybe you should stick to watching nascar so you can complain about Jimmy Johnson winning 5 championships in a row.

    For the record I also think the flexy front wing is cheating. The rules say that it cannot flex under aerodynamic load, however, they would still be winning anyway. But wait, F1 is about cutting edge technology and innovation isn't it?
  2. HarveyMushman

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    Not in a long time, no. It's about spending vast sums for ever diminishing returns at the furthest margins. Innovation is explicitly forbidden.
  3. Fajita Dave

    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    Yup, the rules are getting pretty ridiculous. That doesn't mean the engineers aren't going to try though.
  4. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    there's a big loss of HP (longer exhaust) so there's a trade-off. Lotus has only been playing with it recently, and Williams have done tests, but still don't run it. I think Sauber were actually the innovators but could be wrong.

    good news is a lot of things will stay the same for next year, so there may be a chance for more parity.
  5. A. T. T-W

    A. T. T-W Can't be bothered.

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    Personally, I think the 'parity' is the problem at the moment. The rules have been in stasis for too long. The 2014 changes were originally planned for next year and it's a shame that they were postponed. Another year of tiny changes and envelopes being pushed means yet more of the same. The same Big Three with two, maybe three teams just failing to join them.

    I don't know what it is about the Red Bull era. I'm no fan of Ferrari but when they were the team in the sun, it didn't detract from the enjoyment too much. I've never been so ambivalent about F1 in my life as I am now with Red Bull's domination.

    It's not their drivers. I quite like them, I enjoy watching them. It's something about Red Bull the team that turns me off.

    Perhaps I'm an F1 snob. It might be something about an energy drink company buying success as opposed to a racing team that has a competition heritage. :dunno
  6. Thinc2

    Thinc2 Paciugo

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    With you 100% on this one. Almost any of the other teams would be preferable to Red Bull dominating.

    It's kind of like if the LA Lakers changed their name to Nike...
  7. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    :clap


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  8. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    pretty good series of pictures showing the development & changes the Lotus has undergone over the season

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    there's animation too in the article, but it won't play for me:

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  9. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    Ferrari developments over the season so far

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  10. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    pretty cool 360° onboard view of Red Bull in action

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  11. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Not a fan of Vettel, but I have a lot of time for Webber. I wouldn't mind so much if it were him leading the table.

    For me, the problem with Red Bull the team is summed-up in one name: Helmut Marko. He seems to embody the negative energy they exude.

    ps I agree wrt rules. They longer they stay the same, the more it favors the elite teams.
  12. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Bah!

    Carbs and points ignitions for all. That'll fix'em. :D
  13. Flys Lo

    Flys Lo cool hand fluke

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    No different to Benetton.

    I actually like that another team that came from relatively nothing (Jaguar...) is challenging the established players, but I will agree their continued success is a bit tiresome - but would rather that, than have the rules re-written every week to "flatten" the playing field ala Nascar.
    I also agree with wxwax that Helmut Marko comes across as a prick, but as I haven't met the man its hard to pass judgement on his character - but it seems like he will espouse his negative arrogant view point as frequently as possible (unless its about Vettel)
  14. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    looks like McLaren is ready to give Red Bull a run....

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  15. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    I'm shocked -- shocked, d'ye hear me? -- that Red Bull was fastest in Prac 2.

    I enjoyed the delightful irony of Red Bull inquiring about illegal specs on brake ducts of other cars. Evil and shameless go hand in hand, I suppose.

    Should be a snoozer, unfortunately.
  16. hockeygoon

    hockeygoon Been here awhile

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    Watching F1 Debrief on Speed. Sounds like they are going to be on-track for the F1 race prep in Austin tue-thurs. I suspect they wanted to be there for the practice, quali, and race, but got fux0red by the Speed Execs or maybe F1. I always figured you needed to pay your $$$ before Bernie would let your TV coverage have a track-side seat.
  17. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    there was a rumor about "someone" shifting the onboard oil & using it to change the balance in the car (RBR?)

    so Vettel is stopped on track.... pit lane start would make it more interesting. Alonso doesn't seem to have the car for the job so far
  18. wxwax

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    Yeah, Ferrari is 3rd best team right now. I agree, a pit lane start would spice things up greatly. Vettel didn't help his team's potential to tell a lie when he said he wasn't aware of a problem with the car. One assumes Red Bull, like McLaren before them, were worried about the fuel level.

    I enjoyed watching Vettel stuff it into the wall in Q1. Sadly, he didn't break anything.

    I'm not sure how the FIA worded their ruling that cars must never have all 4 wheels go over the paint. At Yas all cars, on all laps, are leaving the track entirely. Hmmm.
  19. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    well fingers crossed for a good race....
    not sure there will be one but....

    maldo-a-go-go spicing things up at turn one with a "win on the first lap" kamikaze move?
  20. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    here we go!

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    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/11/14018.html

    Vettel sent to back of the grid for fuel infringement 03 Nov 2012

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    Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has been excluded from Saturday’s qualifying results for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix after the stewards found his car did not have sufficient fuel onboard to comply with the rules on its return to parc ferme. Vettel, who had qualified in third, will now start from the back of the grid.

    The German stopped out on track at the end of Q3, after being told over his radio to pull over at the side of the circuit.

    Although, after a lengthy discussion, the FIA stewards accepted that Vettel had stopped due to reasons of ‘force majeure’, there wasn’t enough fuel in his RB8 to provide a one-litre sample in post-qualifying scrutineering, as required by the sport’s technical regulations.

    “The stewards heard from the driver and team representatives and studied telemetry evidence that showed the reason why the car was stopped,” explained the FIA in a statement.

    "The Stewards accepted the explanation and considered the incident as being a case of force majeure. However a report was received from the Technical Delegate that showed during post-qualifying scrutineering an insufficient quantity of fuel for sampling purposes.

    "The Stewards determine that this is a breach of Article 6.6.2 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations and the Competitor is accordingly excluded from the results of the Qualifying Session. The Competitor is however allowed to start the race from the back of the grid."