The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    I'd been thinking about that since they said Kimi set fast lap. I've come to the conclusion that there are so many factors at work, that fast lap in a race often doesn't really show much.

    For example, Kimi set fast lap two laps from the end of the race. Low fuel, light car. It was an excellent achievement because he had old tires. But, Alonso (whose fast lap was only 3/10s slower) had already used up his tires trying to reach Kimi by the time his fuel load had dropped to a comparable level. And most of the field had settled for their positions, and were no longer pushing hard, by the time the fuel load was amenable to fast lap times.

    I wonder of Vergne was still in a battle when he set his lap time?
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    Good points. I, too, had wondered that about Alonso. Malaysia is going to be interesting. If McLaren can get their act together, it could be the tight season everyone predicted.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    Alonso should have sent the note before the race....

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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    pit stop times....
    maybe more telling than fast laps

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    I remember thinking one stop by Massa... if I was a cop at a stop sign I'd have written him a ticket! damn it didn't look like he even stopped!
  5. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Great chart!

    Here's the pit stop which seemed to knock Vettel back.

    Name/team/time/lap

    Felipe Massa/ Ferrari/ 21.511/ 23
    Fernando Alonso/ Ferrari/ 21.606/ 20
    Adrian Sutil/ Force India/ 22.693/ 21
    Sebastian Vettel/ Red Bull/ 22.704/ 21
  6. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Can we get it here on the US?
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    A. T. T-W Can't be bothered.

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    They are considering dusting off last year's car. This is not a first for McLaren, the MP4-18 that was so problematic that they never used it, instead reverting to the MP4-17D that then became the basis for the MP4-19.

    It's quite a strange course to have followed. They had a good car last year that got better as the season progressed and this being the last year of the current formula it would seem to make more sense to have continued development of the MP4-27. Lotus seems (admittedly on the strength of one race only) to have shown the way:

    Lotus team boss Eric Boullier:
    "Reduced tyre wear was one of the strengths of the car that we inherited from last season and it was useful because during Kimi's second stint the other cars were starting to challenge a bit more."
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    crazy stats from the Australian GP

    Crazy stats GP Australia: Nick Heidfeld waited 91 races for his first lap in the lead. Sutil tied that record.

    Crazy stats GP Australia: Martin Brundle waited 91 races for his first podium. Sutil missed that in Melbourne. Can set new "record" now.

    Crazy stats GP Australia: Lewis Hamilton lost record for most races with only one team. Record went back to Jim Clark (72 x Lotus) (because of course now Lewis is with Mercedes)

    Crazy stats GP Australia: Kimi's lucky #7 After a quarter of the race 6 different drivers have been in the lead. Race winner Kimi Raikkonen (car 7) started from P7. With the Finn at the end there were a total of 7 pilots with leading laps - just past a 42 year old record.

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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    Button doing his rain dance...

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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    never too soon to talk about 2014....

  12. wxwax

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    We've been hearing about Ferrari's wind tunnel for two years now. If the media are going to spend that much time talking about it, the very least they could is provide us with an explanation for what the problems are and why it takes so long to fix them. :ddog
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    :nod I don't understand it either. I believe the McLaren was the fastest car at Sao Paolo last season.

    I wonder whether, knowing that Vodaphone was going to depart, they felt they needed to dominate the field this season in order to secure a new title sponsor, and decided that the risk of a radical change was worth the potential reward?

    I've read that the logistical challenges of using last season's car are enormous and aren't to be undertaken lightly.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    it seems pretty new .. 1997?

    to need "major upgrades"

    cool looking

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    I'm no expert, but I've always heard that the big problem with wind tunnels is removing the boundary effects of walls, fans, turbulence, etc. and that is the reason you often see very long straight-line undisturbed approaches and exits from the testing area of a tunnel which results in a long/linear tunnel. This Ferrari design isn't very linear so I wonder if perhaps that is one of their challenges.

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    Interesting, Mark. Reminds me of an article I read about Chip Ganassi's wind tunnel. It is literally an abandoned highway tunnel, in PA I think. Here it is.
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    They should bring the cars to Laurel Hill. :evil

    http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/nascar/the-secrets-of-laurel-hill/

    Well crap!!!!! 205'd by the search. and work.
  18. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    LOL

    :rofl

    I have to say.. running a car down a mile long tunnel seems very NASCAR -esque to me... not sure you'd be able to detect the nuance of forces necessary in F1 but.. *shrug*

    I had a friend who worked at the wind tunnel at U of Maryland. He mentioned their biggest issue (at U-Md) was they didn't have a moving floor. You prefer the floor to move so the wheels roll and everything is as it should be on the road.
  19. PeteN95

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    Kimi didn't come in until lap 38, so he must have qualified and started on the medium compound tires!? This would explain how he could go so far on the first set, how he could set fast lap so late, and why he didn't qualify any higher. I did not see the race, is this in fact what hapened? I just can't imagine going 38 laps on the super soft tires with a full fuel load when Vettel could only go 7 laps and Alonso 9? I was thinking before the race, when I heard about the super softs, that this would be the optimum plan, except for qualifying.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    no.....

    he came in on lap 9 and then on lap 34

    synopsis courtesy of octane photos

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