The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    Your opinions are so clouded by your personal distaste for Vettel that they hold no weight.
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  3. joef

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    Hate is such a terrible word, try dislike it sounds much better. DC is a bit of a prick/cry baby as well and you don't have to look back to far to remember his antics
  4. joef

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    Are you for real man, A 3 time world champion just isn't because he is in the best car and only one of those years was out right domination of the field the rest he fought for. You can't say the same about Webber in the same equipment
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    Agreed, however they must be carefull, you don't want to make Seb second guess himself on race day because everyone knows at the end of the day Webber can't get the job done like Seb has done so in the past.

    Seb is the futur and Webber is there to finish second to get CWC points... I hope Marco has made that clear because Horner seems unable. Being the axe man can be a bitch if you have a conscience...
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  7. Ragin Rabbi

    Ragin Rabbi Semper Fidelis

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    Do you believe, honestly, that Vettel is more talented or equal in a car than Alanso? Vettel has never to date had a crap handling car. Alanso has, and has been competitive.

    Sorry, I chalk a lot (most) of Vettel's success to the team/designer/car, not his talent.
  8. joef

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    Read the post, the comparison was between Rosberg and Hamilton.
    Alonso is the best driver out there now and I believe Vettel is as good a driver but yes needs to mature a bit. My point was simple he is 3 times a world champion, if it was that easy they all would be. Also go back to 08' with STR Ferrari, put it on the top step of the podium remember, Italian GP at what 20 years old, never had a bad car huh, he beat all his teamates with confidence.
  9. wxwax

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    Adrian Newey.

    He's the one guy on that team who is irreplaceable. All the rest are interchangeable parts, all of them. Well, except for the guy with the money, of course. :lol3

    Seriously, Red Bull have devised an almost unbeatable strategy/car combination. The key is to be at the front. Qualifying is vital. Vettel, to his credit, is a very, very good driver when the track is empty. Put him deeper in the field and he and his car are usually less impressive.

    The brains of the operation is Newey. He consistently outsmarts (and out-cheats) the opposition. His cars deliver the fastest lap times thanks to the grip he finds in fast and medium corners. His lack of top end speed doesn't matter, as long as his cars are at the front. Which, thanks to him, they usually are.

    No, Weber isn't Vettel's equal. That hardly makes Vettel the best in F1, though. Remember the first half of last season, when Webber's results were roughly equal to Vettel's? It was written that the car was favoring Webber's driving style.

    When faced with a choice, Red Bull tailored their car to Vettel's driving style last season. That was the right thing to do. One assumes they always try to do so. Vettel finished the season with an emphatic bang, a dramatic change in form.
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    :thumb Good point. An excellent season for Vettel.
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    Webber, being third in the WCs for 3 out of the last 4 years, needed those 14 points badly at this stage in the season. For vettel to deny him against team order makes him a greedy prick. For the team to support vettel over Webber makes them complicit.
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    I see it as pay back for Brazil last year and we all move on watching Vettel go for #4 :clap
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    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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  14. PeteN95

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    Dude, what ever it is your smoking, pass it this way! No one would want the 3 time reigning champ?!? :rofl
  15. PeteN95

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    I assume you mean Alonso, but yes. Do you honestly believe the world is only 2000 years old? ;)
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    Sue me, misspelled his name. Doesn't trip off the tongue as easily as Kubica. Why can't all names be as easy as we Poles???:lol3

    Sorry, Al*o*nso has had tremendous and exciting drives (barring this last) in cars that should not have been that competitive.

    I'd take him and Raikkonen on my team. C'mon, that would be an interesting dynamic!
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    Technically, a rabbi would contest the world is a bit older than 2000 years...:1drink
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    Shhhhh. It's Passover/Easter. Don't stir anything up.
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    +1. :wink: Silverstone :wink: Turkey :wink:

    Dudes if we're smok'in stuff here... :jose Pass it over here too!

    I belive Bernie Ecclestone is 2000 years old! :lol3:lol3
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    Alonso is certainly very talented, but how are you so sure his car was so much worse than Vettel's? Because of team mate performance? I think Webber is better than Massa, and even then it's not very exact? Alonso and Kimi would certainly be interesting, at least while it lasted!? I think Kimi would probably kill him before too long!? :eek1