The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Clem Kevin

    Clem Kevin Nude With Boots

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    I think the looks on the faces of ferrari team members last year in testing and at the beginning of the season spoke enough to the comparative speed of the car, especially at their surprise at doing so well early on.
  2. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Aw, c'mon. I know you're a Vettel fanboy, that's cool, we all have our favorites. But this is pretty far off the beam, old chap. :lol3

    (Speaking of fanboys.... Actually, when it comes to drivers, I don't really like that many. Like, as in support, that is. Top of my list is Massa. He's not the quickest, but I like and support the lad. It's not easy, you know. :D)
  3. PeteN95

    PeteN95 Long timer

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    Yes, you and Waxy have listed some strong evidence of the Red Bull cars dominance?!? :huh
  4. Fajita Dave

    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    For the past 3 years till present they have won pole position for more than half of all race weekends, the constructor's championship and the drivers championship. They have by definition dominated F1 for the past 3 years. So far they look to be in the same championship winning form this year. Hopefully someone else catches up.

    Not to mention Vettel's drive from last place on the grid TWICE throughout one race and still finished 2nd in Dhabi last year.

    I am not by any means a Vettel fan but the kid can drive. For a while I didn't think he was good at battling for position but last year he proved he can make a pass if he needs to.
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    joef Been here awhile

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  6. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Other than lap times, qualifying positions and race results, is there additional evidence you need?

    The Ferrari was a dog last year. I don't believe there's a person in F1 who denies it. Ferrari themselves were openly appalled by their car's lack of pace coming out of winter testing. For the second time in as many years, they've torn apart their wind tunnel and are now on the second rebuild.

    This year Ferrari were quite pleased coming out of testing. And indeed, their pace so far this season has been promising. Even Massa (how it pains me to write that!) is showing promise in the new car.

    I don't mean to come off as being high-handed. But anyone who thinks Ferrari had a good car last season either wasn't paying attention or doesn't want to acknowledge the obvious. :dunno

    Alonso drove the wheels off that thing. He had a stunning season. That it took a string of late season wins for Vettel to surpass him was a ridiculous achievement. I don't like Alonso, but the man is a superb driver. He single handedly saved Ferrari last season. Without him, they would have been humiliated. His performance may have been what convinced Ferrari to re-sign Massa. Sort of a gesture of gratitude, if you will, because Massa will never threaten Alonso's position as top dog.
  7. Ace100

    Ace100 Monkeywrencher

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    I agree. The real story of the season last year was Alonso brilliantly driving a lackluster car high into the points throughout the season. It was awe inspiring. I don't think he's someone I'd like to hang out with but he is, without question, one of the all-time greats.
  8. RTLover

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    I'm just another face in the crowd and don't know much about the tech, but what has bothered me in the past few years is all this tinkering of the regs, presumably to sort of level the playing field. But it also manufactures a phoney result. Both Red Bulls and Benz were slowed down to save tires and/or to conserve fuel. That last point is what, deference to the environmentalists? WTF, does two miles to the gallon instead of 1.5 really help save the planet? IMO, if one really wants to see who the best drivers are, give each one the same car, same set-up, and unlimited tires and fuel and let 'em rip. And the 'he who brings the most cash to the team gets to drive' is out of control.
  9. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    well I know who I'd be cheering for at Red Bull....


  10. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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  11. WildAnCrazymtl

    WildAnCrazymtl Political Prisonor

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    :lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3

    Is this for real??? This has to be photoshop! :ear
  12. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    yup

    he's not nearly cool enough for that shirt... smug twat

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  13. wxwax

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    Less fuel = less weight = faster car.

    More math than I can handle goes into calculating how much of a fuel load a car should carry each race. :lol3

    IndyCar is almost a spec series. NASCAR pretty much is too. It's expensive, but I like that F1 isn't. I like that Red Bull and Ferrari find speed in different places on a track. I like that they have separate awards for constructors and for drivers. For me, the current F1 is the best the series has been in what, 15-20 years?
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    WildAnCrazymtl Political Prisonor

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    He's too cool... :D But baised on the "smug twat" comment I will assume you are not a big V3ttel fan... :lol3

    Ps the 3 is for the three WDC... :thumb

    But hey I think V3ttel is the best driver in F1 since the Shumi years.... and I am right ! :clap:clap:clap
  15. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    I never liked Shumacher either...
    but hey, thats OK. it wouldn't be much fun if we all liked the same driver.
  16. Fajita Dave

    Fajita Dave Been here awhile

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    If they could gather enough teams to enter F1 I'd love to see single car teams only. There would be no team mate that you'll have to yield to or compete with. The only team order a driver would receive is how to maximize their finishing result with nothing else to get in the way of that.
  17. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    overlandr Dystopist

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    Vettel's apparent lack of magnanimity is another factor towards his unpopularity
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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  20. opmike

    opmike Choosing to be here.

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    The teams don't fill up the cars with any more fuel than is necessary to make it to the end of a race with a sufficient amount left in the tank for officials to inspect. Every extra kilo of fuel you're carrying is an extra kilo of weight you're going to need to accelerate and turn. In most cases, this leads to the cars being "under-fueled" meaning if the drivers drove at qualifying pace the entire race, they'd run out of fuel before they could reach the end of the grand prix. So, they have to exercise some fuel management during the race. On-track conditions (weather, battles for position, etc.) and just downright fuckups often throw a wrench of fuel strategies so we sometimes see more fuel saving at the end than at other times. And obviously, you need to protect your tires otherwise your pace will fall off as they degrade and you'll have to come in for another pit stop. It has nothing to do with environmentalism and everything to do with making sure the cars actually make it to the checkered flag.

    With respect to your other point, what you're asking for is spec series racing and F1 isn't about that (nor should it be). Sure, it would be great to see how all the drivers would stack up running identical vehicles with personal setups they prefer, but F1 is also about the engineering of the individual teams. The technological arms race that takes place throughout a season is part of the appeal. That said, I think every F1 fan wants more close, wheel to wheel racing.