The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

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  1. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    As far as I can remember, only two tires have delaminated all season. Both were in Spain. One was in practice and I think was presumed to be a tire failure. The other was in the race (a Toro Rosso?) and was presumed to be the result of contact.

    If all of the above is true, only one tire failure in 5 races. I can't see a cause for alarm. :dunno
  2. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    oh Bernie....

    Ecclestone charged with bribery

    The complicated issues arise for Formula 1 Management from its boss legal problems.
    Wednesday, May 15, 2013




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    Bernie Ecclestone (LAT Photo)



    May 15, 2013 (GMM).- German prosecutors have charged Bernie Ecclestone with bribery, the Suddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reports in its Wednesday edition.
    Earlier, the newspaper said the officials had completed their long investigation into the F1 chief executive's role in the Gerhard Gribkowsky corruption affair.
    "Munich has filed charges against Bernie Ecclestone," Wednesday's article reads, adding that one of the charges is the "serious" offense of bribing a public official.
    The case will surround the 82-year-old's confirmed payment of $44 million to jailed former F1 banker Gribkowsky, surrounding the sale of the sport to CVC some years ago.
    "The bribery allegations could cost Ecclestone his job as formula one boss," said the Suddeutsche Zeitung, adding that the district court will now decide whether or not it hears the case.
    If it does, a trial is tipped to take place this year.
    Briton Ecclestone claims he paid Gribkowsky after he blackmailed him. The F1 'Supremo. also said he will cooperate with public prosecutors in Germany following the conviction of Gribkowsky for taking bribes and tax evasion last year.
  3. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    They've been stalking him for a long time now. A lot of smoke was blown over the Gribkowsky affair, but the Germans finally won a conviction against him. Given the prosecutor's success in the earlier case, things don't look good for Bernie.

    Given his nature and his roots as a used car salesman, I have no doubt that it was a bribe. He's in a lot of trouble.
  4. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    some good technical analysis from Spain

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    good shot showing some of the upgrades Ferrari had planned on running at Barcelona. The linked article explains that they didn't due to poor weather in FP1
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  6. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    I know. The apparent arrogance with which they entered the sport last with BAR was off putting. As long as they aren't taking money from HRC I don't care what becomes of their F1 effort.
  8. HarveyMushman

    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    There is a crucial difference between working right up to the performance limit of a cutting edge tire, and working within the artificial confines of a tire designed to fail. Then there is the folly of teams spending billions to develop machines capable of incredible performance only to be hobbled by a tire gimmick. Why this is lost on a population that claims to love the technical aspect of F1 confuses the hell out of me. :dunno
  9. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    If it's true that Ferrari ran wide open at Catalunya, then in what way was the car's performance hobbled? :dunno
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  11. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    :nod I don't get it either.

    The "races are won by the least slowest car" is just sophistry to me :dunno
  12. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    Some of us get it because we looked at actual data from this year and previous years. The hard, cold numbers show race speeds through 5 races this season are statistically no different than for the same races the previous three seasons.
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    Ragin Rabbi Semper Fidelis

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    And? Are we to expect speeds to increase every season? Where would that end?

    Some (Lotus/Renault) figured out how to achieve a competitive balance between the car/tires and speed. Others (Red Bull) seem to have gone after speed with no thought to the limiting influence of tires.

    Complaints about rubber is nothing new. Slicks to grooved, remember those days? And reference Spain and passing, there were some great passes on the track, great race!:clap
  14. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    I agree with you. I was countering the folks who seem to think the tires this season have dramatically slowed the cars.
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    Ragin Rabbi Semper Fidelis

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    Ooohhhhh. Sorry.
  16. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    You're missing the point, by a large margin.

    p.s. It's F1 not baseball.
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    I don't think Ferrari missed the point. Flat out all the way.

    I have no idea why everyone's upset about 4 pit stops. Baffles me.
  18. HarveyMushman

    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    Flat out, or just less slow than the others? Alonso's fastest lap was 5 seconds slower than his qualifying time. We'll just have to wonder by how much his qualifying time was hobbled.

    I'm not, per se. I give credit to Ferrari for using an aggressive strategy when others are cruising and complaining they "can't go any slower."
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    hmmm Q3, empty gas tank, fresh tires, no consideration of "finishing"
    versus the race, where the whole field was running 1:26's

    :hmmmmm
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    In 2011 at the same track, fast lap was 6 seconds slower than fast qualifying. Do we blame the tires in 2011 as well?

    I know you know better than this, Tim. You've forgotten more than I'll ever know about racing.