The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. GhoGho

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    He still has fans??? :huh:eek1
  2. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    if you scroll back a few dozen pages you'll find them...

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  3. doyle

    doyle RallyRaidReview-ing

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    So are you saying that manufacturers, suppliers, and sponsors are not involved in F1 primarily for increasing brand awareness and thereby sales of their products? How many more cars have Ferrari sold due to their racing pedigree? How many sales have Lamborghini lost out on because they don't have a racing pedigree?

    Pirelli and before them, Michelin, Bridgestone, Goodyear, etc.. participated for two main reasons, one for the development of new materials, processes, and manufacturing advancements and two, to sell tires, not F1 tires, but road tires.

    Certainly there are fans that are influenced by the products and companies they see regularly in F1, why would tires be any different? If someone considering themselves part of the tifosi had the money to burn on a new, mid-engine supercar, which one do you think would be near the top of the list?

    Do you think Pirelli's perceptible poor performance this year has helped sales for road cars?
  4. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    I very much doubt it's had a negative impact, just as I think Indy 2005 fiasco had no impact on Michelin. On the other hand, the brand awareness gained by association with F1 is enormous.

    I'm amazed Pirelli can change the tires so quickly. Spa is the looming monster. You don't want exploding tires at Spa, it doesn't have Silverstone's runoff areas.


  5. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    I'm really surprised its Kevlar® (and not twaron) I know its a small detail, but twaron is a lot more widely used than Kevlar®

    Pirelli's press release has placed some of the blame on the teams (camber, pressure, swapping left & right) along with a bit of mea culpa on not being more forceful stopping bad practices.

    Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  6. PeteN95

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    And it does have Eau Rouge, which would be a bad spot for a blow out!?! :huh
  7. wxwax

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    Lots of interesting things here.

    Some teams did resist changing the tires. The rules said it had to be unanimous, so Pirelli were blocked. Hard to blame them for what ensued.

    FIA has now changed that, see below.

    Watching practice and qualifying, I had noticed that the color circle on the inside of the front tires looked squidgy. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't perfectly round. The explanation is that the teams were running very low pressures and the tires were deforming more than usual. Again, hard to blame Pirelli.

    I wasn't aware that teams had swapped sides for tires. Is that a normal practice?

    Tires will change twice between now and Spa. That's an enormous change that teams will have to grapple with.

    And guess who loses out? Mercedes. They won't be able to test the new stuff at Silverstone. Even worse, the FIA is allowing regular drivers to test the tires in the "young driver test", which makes it a double blow for Mercedes.

    Gotta love F1's turmoil. there's always something. :lol3


  8. doyle

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    Negating the tire controversy, I hear Bernie is working with some Asian companies on a formulation for artificial snow in a bid to "up the show".

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  9. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    reversing tires explained (or at least discussed)

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    Spy shot of Pirelli's road test for new F1 tire.

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    car94 What's this Box for?

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    See even Alotta Ferwhino Knows who's best!!:lol3
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    Old fart Keen AG100 rider

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    Looks like the spoiled kid is about to urinate on his wheel :evil
  13. joef

    joef Been here awhile

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    Say what you will bottom line is Pirelli f'ed up, when did we have this problem with Bridgestone and Mercedes did not gain any advantage from the 3 day test, right..
  14. joef

    joef Been here awhile

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    He'll still crush them in the end, bank on it
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    Bridgestone wasn't under the orders that Pirelli is. And Michelin managed to screw the pooch at Indy even when allowed to build durable tires. Pirelli look bad, no question, but teams always throw the tire maker under the bus, as if by instinct. They never accept responsibility for their own actions.
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    Ever since Pirelli took over as sole tire manufacture the racing has been all about the tires, I understand they are under orders from the governing bodies but c'mon now enough is enough. The tires suck and the drivers know it. Racing is about going all out not "managing your tires" until the end
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    All eyes will be on Pirelli at Nurburgring.
    Any tire failure there during practice or quali could have serious consequences for the race. I don't think this problem will be sorted out anytime soon. It's about carcass design as much as rubber formula.
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    Going all out like Alonso did at Barcelona?

    F1 has always been all about the tires. Teams endlessly bitch about them, because that way they don't have to blame themselves for their own shortcomings. That's obviously a bit of an exaggeration, but not much of one. Do you not remember the Michelin/Bridgestone days?

    Hell, just today I read that even when Mercedes was struggling, they thought their car was perfect, it was the tires that were the problem. :twitch

    Yes, tires blowing up is a terrible thing every way you look at it. But the piling on that Pirelli have been getting is out of bounds, for me.
  19. doyle

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    Some tire statement brilliance from SniffPetrol:

    http://sniffpetrol.com/2013/07/03/that-pirelli-statement-in-full/
  20. car94

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    Racing is not about going all out! Its about being the best at everything. This includes Tire management, fuel management etc. You have to make it to the end and be the 1st one across the line. I would prefer to see better rubber but it is way better than when Slipstone and Micheloss would bring the wrong compound and half the field would be 10 seconds slower than the other half.
    Racing is about being smooth and fast.