The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    latest crazy whisper:

    Maldonado w/ a pile of cash arrives at Sauber to replace Gutierrez.... :huh

    that'd be a bad blow for Sir Frank & team...
  2. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Peter Sauber denies that employees haven't been paid. He said some suppliers have been asked for extensions, though. He's looking for either additional sponsors or an investor.

    I hate to hear about a classy guy like Sauber being in trouble. His team often punches above its weight and he's an important part of F1.

    And, of course, he wears the Chelsea logo. :D
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    It seems to me that the Lotus suffers from the same problem as the Red Bull. Neither is a top speed car, they make their time in the corners. As a result, neither benefits from DRS as much as, say, a Ferrari or a Force India.

    I feel that's why Grosjean wasn't able to pass Vettel despite being close for a number of laps. DRS simply didn't give him the help he needed, despite there being two DRS zones.
  4. Dagofast

    Dagofast Full giggety ahead.

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    Could someone help with the rules for stopping on the track like Alonso did post race to insure sufficient fuel for testing? I seem to recall that Hamilton or someone was penalized (DQ'd?) for doing the same thing as recently as last season? At the time Matchett made a big deal out of how important it was to have enough fuel in the car to make it back to park ferme and STILL have 1 litre of fuel left in the car for testing.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    if he doesn't have enough fuel they will get him for grid spots in the next race.
    if they make it sound like car trouble, the stewards will look at telemetry... Ferrari will have to prove they had trouble.

    I haven't heard any more about why he stopped, or if he had the required amount of fuel onboard.

    I did read this:
    quite a good article LINK
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    wxwax Excited Member

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  7. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    euro 30,000 fine to Red Bull for unsafe release
    seems they should have been given a time penalty as well (since a stop & go wouldn't have made much impact, and 30 grand is chicken feed).
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    Shocktower Long timer

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    I am glad Paul Allen was not seriously injured for the worse :eek1, that projectile was something else.


    Yea SEB :clap:clap
  9. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    its "throw the cap at the German" competition


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    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    I'm sure Paul Allen would not regard it as 'chicken feed' if the FIA gave him the 30,000 euros...

    Seems only fair.


    And start both Red Bull cars at the back of the grid for the next race. Teach 'em to be more careful. :thwak
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    Agreed.
    Although the 30k will likely fund "weekend for Bernie"
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    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    Bernie's daughter spends more than that in an hour down at the shops.
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    A. T. T-W Can't be bothered.

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    I think that McLaren were penalised because Hamilton's car didn't have enough fuel for the test and that's why teams now stop a car on the circuit if there's a risk of doing the same.
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    My google-fu is weak and I can't remember the reg about having to drive back to the pits/scrutineering station.
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    Dagofast Full giggety ahead.

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    I found it. It was Lewis and it was last year. I am still curious if the rule covering stopping on track and the litre of fuel for testing are different between qualifying and the race. Anyone? :ear

    http://badgergp.com/2012/05/maldonado-pole-position-hamilton-penalty-disqualified-back/

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  17. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    too soon to think about the look of the 2014 cars?

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    some changes coming


    • Front wing reduced front 1800mm to 1650mm wide
    • Nose tip centered at 185mm high
    • Front Bulkhead maximum height 525
    • Chassis height maximum 625mm
    • Vanity panels still allowed
    • Engines now 1.6l V6 turbo, Direct injection, fuel flow limited, 15k max RPM
    • Energy Recovery systems to add +150hp from Kinetic and Turbo harvesting
    • Race Fuel limited to 100kg
    • Gearboxes to have 8 forward ratios, those ratios are fixed for the season
    • Single central exhaust pipe exiting 17-18.5cm behind rear axle line and 300-525mm high
    • Last 150mm of tail pipe must point 5 degrees upwards
    • No bodywork behind the tail pipe axis
    • No lower beam wing
    • Space still allowed for Y75 winglet (monkey seat)
    • Top rear wing a little shallower
    • Minimum weight 690Kg
    all snagged from Scarbs F1
  18. Turder

    Turder Throttle engineer

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    Kimi had pretty good showing on the DRS couple of times. Maybe Vettel used more KERS on DRS zones, got a better exit out the turns etc.. Lots of variables to hide the truth.

    This is an interesting issue, as I think it is the opposite and both opinions are shared in the paddock. To find out who gets the most of DRS is impossible. I would imagine that the more downforce rear wing's top part produces, the more it benefits from opening DRS in terms of top speed as it deletes more surface area which causes drag and slows the car. When one opens a DRS in, for example, Hungaroring, the rear wing reduces in size drastically, where as a Monza rear wing loses only a little surface area when opened.

    Last year in qualification when DRS was available at any place, Red Bull had the advantage on it as they tend to run more downforce on their cars. In QP they could have a lot of downforce from the wings (front doesn't affect top speed that much like rear wing does), and then open DRS on every straight. This was a win-win back then: massive downforce in braking and corners, then open DRS and you get good straightline speed without compromising the downforce. It isn't that simple though, but to get the idea behind it.

    So with that and good pace overall, they use to run at the front all the time and therefore base their race strategy for this. Red Bulls were geared quite short to get maximum speed without DRS (as they were assuming they never use it in a race because they're leading). When they get in a situation to use DRS, almost every track the car was bouncing off rev limiter due to reduced downforce and air resistance. Some times this happened in QP too as the car is light. This caused them to look slow on DRS during the race.

    Lotus seems to be going similar route as their car seems to work better the more downforce there is. Obviously the QP DRS rule has changed. In races they are usually one of the slowest top team in speed traps but get pretty competetive push on DRS like others, not the best but okayish. But to evaluate this is quite hard, as the extra speed from DRS depends on base setting of the rear wing which is different in every track and varies a lot among the teams. And some cars like Force India, Toro Rosso, Mercedes too seems to run lower downforce all the time and are bloody quick on straights even without the DRS. Maybe they use this strategy as they constantly race in mid pack where it is possible to overtake throughout the race and also makes overtaking them harder for others, and/or their cars perform better this way...
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    silly season silliness...

  20. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    Wow, that was quite the slap at Massa by Marko. :eek1